Re: Secure BGP (Was: YouTube IP Hijacking)

2008-02-25 Thread Sandy Murphy
Is there some way of deploying a solution like Secure BGP without actually requiring that it go into the routers? The IETF SIDR wg (shameless plug as I'm wg co-chair) is working on a way to say with strong assurance who holds what prefixes, and therefore who can authorize the origination of what

Re: IP Block 99/8 (DHS insanity - offtopic)

2007-04-23 Thread Sandy Murphy
Which report did you read... http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/04/dept_of_homelan.html http://www.upi.com/Security_Terrorism/Analysis/2007/04/12/analysis_owning_the_keys_to_th e_internet/ http://www.tiawood.com/2007/homeland-security-grabs-for-nets-master-keys/ All of which were about

Re: IP Block 99/8 (DHS insanity - offtopic)

2007-04-23 Thread Sandy Murphy
/slides/conf/wednesday/Address%20Space%20PKI%20(APRICOT).pdf Work ongoing in the IETF SIDR working group: http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/sidr-charter.html --Sandy Murphy

Re: BGP Security

2005-11-28 Thread Sandy Murphy
I am placing the module to test the UPDATE message before the formation of Adj-RIB-out. So that the false / malicious information wont go beyond my router ... Would like to know ur views about this approach. I think all the various published approaches have this goal in mind, so the approach

Re: BGP Security and PKI Hierarchies

2005-11-28 Thread Sandy Murphy
Regardless of what the legacy space users think, if the RIRs decided to sign certificates for use in BGP route for a small fee to recover costs, and if those legacy space holders wish to make use of this new service (like a new version of Windows) then they have to sign up and pay the fees. The

Re: BGP Security and PKI Hierarchies

2005-11-28 Thread Sandy Murphy
Michael Dillon said: The fees are not charged for past services that were received for free, only for future services. So you are saying that legacy space holder who signed a memberhsip agreement would not owe the usual yearly fee associated with their legacy space holdings but only those fees

Re: BGP Security and PKI Hierarchies

2005-11-25 Thread Sandy Murphy
Do you suppose that if a Microsoft salesman had given me a free copy of Windows back in 1990, I would have a right to use any version of Windows for free forever? I don't think this analogy exactly fits. I'm pretty sure that the legacy space holders think of this as: a Microsoft salesman had

Re: BGP Security and PKI Hierarchies (was: Re: Wifi Security)

2005-11-24 Thread Sandy Murphy
the rir attests to the delegation of the prefix and an asn to the identified isp. the isp signs, using their isp identity to o originating from the asn o originating that prefix (in sbgp, toward another isp) Looks to me like: proof of allocation: S(withRIRkey, Prefix_p_key, prefix_p)

Re: BGP Security and PKI Hierarchies (was: Re: Wifi Security)

2005-11-23 Thread Sandy Murphy
in operation, this means that there could be isp- (or ufo-)centric isp identity certification (a la web of trust, for example) which could have a very separate cert chain from that of address space allocation, which, aside from the legacy issue, could come via the rirs. So when one receives an

Re: BGP Security and PKI Hierarchies (was: Re: Wifi Security)

2005-11-23 Thread Sandy Murphy
My issue is that if ISPs a) only announce networks that they know (for different values of know - but hopefully based on some kind of trust in the RIR's data) they are authorized to announce, and b) took responsibility for the behavior of the paths or prefixes they announce, and the bits that

Re: BGP Security and PKI Hierarchies (was: Re: Wifi Security)

2005-11-22 Thread Sandy Murphy
Hierarchical relationships breed reptiles because of the inherent asymmetric business relationship that results. ... Frankly, I am quite impressed with the address registries. How would you feel about having the registries serve as the root of a hierarchical certificate system? So an

Re: BGP Security and PKI Hierarchies (was: Re: Wifi Security)

2005-11-22 Thread Sandy Murphy
Otherwise, you have to be storing a plethora of different signers' certificates to be able to validate all the institution's certificates that come in. you need those certs to verify the live data anyway Yes, the reason why you want to validate the institution's certificates is so you can