Re: Fwd: [nanog-admin] Vote on AUP submission to SC

2007-10-31 Thread Sean Figgins
Martin Hannigan wrote: 3. Cross posting is prohibited. I think this needs more clarification, like Cross posting to other lists is prohibited, CCing individuals are permitted. I see no technical difference between cross posting to another list or just a list if individuals. 8.

Re: Fwd: [nanog-admin] Vote on AUP submission to SC

2007-10-31 Thread Sean Figgins
Alex Pilosov wrote: 8. Autoresponders sending mail either to the list or to the poster are prohibited. I also think this needs additional language to ensure that it is within the realm of the authority of the MLC/NANOG. NANOG has no authority to prohibit autoresponses that result in

Re: mail operators list

2007-10-30 Thread Sean Figgins
Martin Hannigan wrote: What would work is for people to post on topic so that the list is interesting and relevant. Since what people want to talk about is mostly off-topic for the nanog@ list, does this mean that NANOG itself is no longer interested in being the venue for network operators

Re: meeting format/content

2007-10-10 Thread Sean Figgins
Adrian Chadd wrote: Today's networking area is very very different from where I'm sitting. Networking can be learnt reasonably successful from a book and consultants are called in when things aren't quite working right or its time for an upgrade. I have not met many consultants that I would

Re: mlc files formal complaint against me

2007-10-09 Thread Sean Figgins
Stephen Wilcox wrote: theres a lot more competition for meetings, and they have diversified - the industry has evolved. i think the SC should review the idea of 2 meetings per year tho, maybe that will bring focus and relevance. can i ask you to take it to your next SC meeting? I don't

Re: 2 meetings / budgets [Re: mlc files formal complaint against me]

2007-10-09 Thread Sean Figgins
Joe Abley wrote: No, there's a fixed overhead from having N x Merit FTEs doing NANOG stuff year-round, housing NANOG servers, being covered by UMich insurance, accounting, blah, blah. I'm not an accountant, as you can probably tell, but I think that's the right high-level answer. Just out

Re: 2 meetings / budgets [Re: mlc files formal complaint against me]

2007-10-09 Thread Sean Figgins
William B. Norton wrote: The big $$$ is to the hotel - $105K for 1 mtg. This is just for the conference rooms? That's a lot more expensive that I would have thought. The bottom line, I think you need a few FTEs no matter how you manage NANOG. No argument there. There will always be a

Re: IPv6 news

2005-10-12 Thread Sean Figgins
On Wed, 12 Oct 2005, william(at)elan.net wrote: addresses. But of those few many are those doing P2P sharing especially with BitTorent and this application requires open port on the user end, so in fact P2P and BT may prove to be the cornerstone to getting wider use of IPv6 after we ran out

Re: IPv6 news

2005-10-12 Thread Sean Figgins
On Thu, 13 Oct 2005, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: And in 6-12 months the new Vista will start replacing XP, Will start replacing XP on new consumer-grade computers. Corporations will take another 2-4 years to switch, and other people might have upgraded to windows 98 from 3.11 by then. I

Re: IPv6 news

2005-10-12 Thread Sean Figgins
On Wed, 12 Oct 2005, william(at)elan.net wrote: I think the bigger problem would be that of a larger company running out of RFC 1918 space, for various reasons. If its corporate system, they'd also end up using NAT (many already do). The problem would be for webhosts and ASPs who have no

Re: [eng/rtg] changing loopbacks

2005-09-30 Thread Sean Figgins
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005, Christopher L. Morrow wrote: ospf doesn't, for router-id on cisco's atleast, as Warren pointed out :( however! switching from ospf to 'another igp' (ISIS would work well) would avoid that, slide off ospf and onto ISIS, kill ospf when all next-hops switch, which should be

Re: 209.68.1.140 (209.68.1.0 /24) blocked by bellsouth.net for SMTP

2005-09-25 Thread Sean Figgins
On Mon, 26 Sep 2005, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: regular email forwarding IF you filter first And if the customer specifically requests that YOU do not filter his email, or set up a system that allows him to see ALL email, even if ti is tagged as spam? Personally, I feel that at some point,

Re: PBR needing to hit the cpu?

2005-09-18 Thread Sean Figgins
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005, David Hubbard wrote: Just curious, do most vendors' hardware need to hit the cpu when doing policy-based routing? As far as I know, the hardware that you are likely using from the major company in the bay area is going to put all PBR traffic through the CPU. Other

Re: Calling all NANOG'ers - idea for national hardware price quote registry

2005-09-16 Thread Sean Figgins
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005, Matt Bazan wrote: Wouldn't it be great if there was an online, updated daily, website that listed real quotes oraganized by region in the country and company size? Yes, it would be great, however it won't work. I think so. Here's what I propose. I will design and host

Re: AOL whitelisting - a heads-up and a request for assistance

2005-09-16 Thread Sean Figgins
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005, Bill Stewart wrote: In re-applying for whitelisting, I do see that AOL requires a minimum of 100 emails/month to maintain a whitelist entry. This is new to me, and would be worth nothing for others who may be adding or removing servers. Sounds like an obvious

Re: Calling all NANOG'ers - idea for national hardware price quote registry

2005-09-16 Thread Sean Figgins
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005, Matt Ghali wrote: I've resigned myself to it being one of the things I get paid to do. Ah yes, and don't forget that you can usually get rewarded for the time that you have to spend listening to the sales pitch by squeezing out a lunch or dinner or two out of the sales

RE: Calling all NANOG'ers - idea for national hardware price quote registry

2005-09-16 Thread Sean Figgins
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005, Matt Bazan wrote: anonymous ;-) Besides, in today's crap economy, is a vendor really going to come down on a client for violating an NDA and throw away ? I personally don't have experience with this but I'm willing to bet that most NDAs are more bark than bite.

Re: OT: Yahoo- apparently now an extension of the Chinese govt secret police....

2005-09-07 Thread Sean Figgins
On Wed, 7 Sep 2005, Joseph S D Yao wrote: So, let's do the logic, as this is a simple schoolchild exercise. [snip] Therefore, if one is in mainland China to do business, then one does not have a conscience or a spine. It is probably that one does not have a conscience, is insane and does

Re: ISP's In Uproar Over Verizon-MCI Merger

2005-08-24 Thread Sean Figgins
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Jared Mauch wrote: I once spoke to a construction manager at comcast for their network buildouts. With my local township, they need to have 20 homes per linear mile along the route to justify a build. While my street has 11 homes, and 3 adjacent (where my private