Re: the O(N^2) problem

2008-04-14 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
The risk in a reputation system is collusion.

Re: Dubai impound ships suspected in cable damage

2008-04-08 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 19:31:47 -0400 (EDT) Sean Donelan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, civilian satellite images are getting very sharp. http://www.hindu.com/2008/04/07/stories/2008040759181200.htm Using satellite images of ship movements in the area, Reliance Globalcom identified two

Re: Superfast internet may replace world wide web

2008-04-07 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Mon, 7 Apr 2008 08:24:54 -0700 (PDT) Lucy Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 7 Apr 2008, Bill Woodcock wrote: On Mon, 7 Apr 2008, Glen Kent wrote: says the solemn headline of Telegraph. .. and we in Nanog are still discussing IPv6! ;-) It's because we don't

Re: Any tool or theorical method on detecting number of computer behind a NAT box?

2008-04-07 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Mon, 7 Apr 2008 23:51:55 +0800 (CST) Joe Shen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, Sharing internet access bandwidth between multiple computers is common today. Usually, bandwidth sharer bought a little router with NAT/PAT function. After connecting that box to a ADSL/LAN access

Re: Does TCP Need an Overhaul? (internetevolution, via slashdot)

2008-04-05 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Sat, 5 Apr 2008 01:02:24 -0400 Christopher Morrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 9:51 PM, Paul Vixie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (i'd hate to think that everybody would have to buy roberts' (anagran's) Fast Flow Technology at every node of their network to make this

Re: Nanog 43/CBX -- Hotel codes etc

2008-04-04 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 17:21:41 -0400 David Diaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TIPS: New York is a wonderful city, however, as with any large city travel safely -Do not use your iPod white ear pieces. Especially on the subway at night -Travel in groups or with a local -Know where you are going

Re: latency (was: RE: cooling door)

2008-03-30 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:03:18 +0800 Adrian Chadd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, and kernel hz tickers can have similar effects on network traffic, if the application does dumb stuff. If you're (un)lucky then you may see 1 or 2ms of delay between packet input and scheduling processing. This

Re: latency (was: RE: cooling door)

2008-03-30 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On 30 Mar 2008 21:00:25 + Paul Vixie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Buhrmaster, Gary) writes: ... feed tcp throughput equation into your favorite search engine for a lot more references.=20 There has been a lot of work in some OS stacks (Vista and recent linux

Re: Mitigating HTTP DDoS attacks?

2008-03-25 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:13:25 -0400 Rodrick Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They're a few companies that specialize in DDOS protection type services one company that comes to mind is Prolexic and their IPN infrastructure protection service. Prolexic will basically absorbs all attacks filter

Re: YouTube IP Hijacking

2008-02-25 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 01:49:51 -0500 (EST) Sean Donelan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 25 Feb 2008, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: How about state-of-the-art routing security? The problem is what is the actual trust model? Are you trusting some authority to not be malicious or never make

Re: YouTube IP Hijacking

2008-02-24 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 20:42:51 -0500 Patrick W. Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 4: With state of the art security and operations. I think we agree, but I wouldn't have said it like that. How about state-of-the-art routing security? Seriously -- a number of us have been warning that this

Re: A couple or advanced references...

2008-02-18 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 06:27:52 GMT Paul Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And thirdly is a figure that some folks may already be aware of; the fact that identity theft was the number one source of consumer fraud complaints submitted to the U.S. Federal Trade Commission in 2007. According

Re: Blackberry List

2008-02-11 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 14:15:20 -0800 Justin Pauler - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone... I realize this isn't the right forum for this, so, does anyone have a Blackberry list that has discussions much like what we do here? Even better, that might have information or alerts for

Re: Abandoned ship anchor found at FALCON cable cut

2008-02-07 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 15:29:38 -0500 Jason Seemann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thats exactly what they want you to think! No, it's perfectly legitimate. It's the anchor from the USS Jimmy Carter... (Nuclear submarines do indeed have anchors; see

Re: Fourth cable damaged in Middle Eest (Qatar to UAE)

2008-02-05 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 10:11:13 -0600 Frank Coluccio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today's MIT Technology Review newsletter contains an article by John Borland, aided in large part by Tim Strong of Telegeography Research, covering the recent spate of submarine cable failures in the ME: Analyzing

Re: Fourth cable damaged in Middle Eest (Qatar to UAE)

2008-02-04 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 22:56:39 -0500 (EST) Sean Donelan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Caution: upon further research it appears there may be some language misscommunication in some of the reports; and some of the outages may be multiple reports of the same incidents.

Re: Another cablecut - sri lanka to suez Re: Sicily to Egypt undersea cable disruption

2008-02-01 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
There's an interesting article at http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/technology/AP-Internet-Outages-Cables.html on cable chokepoints.

Re: Another cablecut - sri lanka to suez Re: Sicily to Egypt undersea cable disruption

2008-02-01 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:21:00 -0800 Scott Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 1, 2008 6:37 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/third-undersea-cable-reportedly-cut/story.aspx?guid={1AAB2A79-E983-4E0E-BC39-68A120DC16D9} We had

Re: Sicily to Egypt undersea cable disruption

2008-02-01 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:42:02 - Rod Beck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, when you have all these cables running through narrow straits or converging to the same stretch of beach, it does not strike me as at all extraordinary. But they aren't near each other.

Re: Sicily to Egypt undersea cable disruption

2008-02-01 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 23:07:16 - Rod Beck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Steve, TransAtlantic cables average three repairs a year. That's the industry average. So given 7 high capacity cable systems, that's 21 repairs a year. Now, not all damaged cables go out of service. In fact, most

Re: Sicily to Egypt undersea cable disruption

2008-01-31 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
Today's NY Times reports that the problem was caused by two near-simultaneous cable failures: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/business/worldbusiness/31cable.html

Re: Sicily to Egypt undersea cable disruption

2008-01-31 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 13:20:07 - Rod Beck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cables are mostly damaged by fishing in coastal areas (continental shelf) or by deep undersea currents that erode the polyurethane jacket that protects them. So it is crucial that the cable be buried at least one meter and

Re: request for help w/ ATT and terminology

2008-01-17 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:45:24 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:15:30 CST, Joe Greco said: make this a killer. That could include things such as firewall rules/ACL's, recursion DNS server addresses, VPN adapters, VoIP equipment with stacks too stupid to do DNS, etc.

Re: request for help w/ ATT and terminology

2008-01-17 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:35:30 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:29:37 GMT, Steven M. Bellovin said: You don't always want to rely on the DNS for things like firewalls and ACLs. DNS responses can be spoofed, the servers may not be available, etc. (For some reason

Re: ISPs slowing P2P traffic...

2008-01-09 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 21:54:55 -0600 Frank Bulk - iNAME [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not aware of any modern cable modems that operate at 10 Mbps. Not that they couldn't set it at that speed, but AFAIK, they're all 10/100 ports. Yup. I've measured 11M bps on file transfers from my office to

Re: v6 subnet size for DSL leased line customers

2007-12-22 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 12:29:54 +0900 Randy Bush [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: simon, there are a million chances. and we are notoriously bad at predicting any of them more than a year or so out. In general, you're right. But we have ~60 years of experience teaching us that *every* successful

Re: v6 subnet size for DSL leased line customers

2007-12-21 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:48:35 -0600 (CST) Joe Greco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I keep coming to the conclusion that an end-user can be made to work on a /64, even though a /56 is probably a better choice. A /56 is definitely better. Of course, I used to have 4 LANs just in my house (wired,

Re: Using RIR info to determine geographic location...

2007-12-20 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 02:13:17 + Greg Skinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I have trouble accepting some of the claims the geotargeting companies have made, such as Quova's 99.9% to the country level, and 95% to the US state level. ( More info at

Re: European ISP enables IPv6 for all?

2007-12-18 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:14:52 +0100 Iljitsch van Beijnum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 18 dec 2007, at 6:37, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: In a slightly more realistic vein, a huge address space makes life harder for scanning worms. As Angelos Keromytis, Bill Cheswick, and I have pointed out

Re: European ISP enables IPv6 for all?

2007-12-17 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:29:21 -0800 Christopher Morrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how does it improve data security exactly? Back in 1994, it was expected to be true because v6 would mandate IPsec, and v6 would be deployed long before the installed base of v4 machines would be upgraded to IPsec.

Re: US Provisioned GSM cards abroad... SSL Issues?

2007-11-14 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:05:32 -0800 Mike Lyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curious. Has anyone on the list here ever encountered issues while traveling in EMEA accessing SSL websites back in the states while using an ATT/Cingular GSM data card? We are seeing some issues with this and were

Re: Hey, SiteFinder is back, again...

2007-11-06 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 23:46:08 -0800 Christopher Morrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/5/07, Eliot Lear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cough. So, how much is that NXDOMAIN worth to you? So, here's the problem really... NXDOMAIN is being judged as a 'problem'. It's really only a 'problem'

local routing problem...

2007-11-06 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
Somewhat OT, but this audience will appreciate it more than most. This item appeared in RISKS Digest. Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 09:55:50 +0100 From: Stefan Alfredsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Cellphone in USB charger became default route His cellphone charger was broken, so 17 year old

Re: Hey, SiteFinder is back, again...

2007-11-05 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:17:29 -0800 David Conrad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 5, 2007, at 8:23 AM, David Lesher wrote: What affect will Allegedly Secure DNS have on such provider hijackings, both of DNS and crammed-in content? If what Verizon is doing is rewriting NXDOMAIN at their

Re: Hey, SiteFinder is back, again...

2007-11-04 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Sun, 4 Nov 2007 11:52:11 -0500 (EST) Sean Donelan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And for all the other non-Web protocols which get confused, can treat that artificially generated crap/answers like NXDOMAIN. Yes, I know it sounds like the evil bit; but if these folks are so convinced people

Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets

2007-10-22 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
According to http://torrentfreak.com/comcast-throttles-bittorrent-traffic-seeding-impossible/ Comcast's blocking affects connections to non-Comcast users. This means that they're trying to manage their upstream connections, not the local loop. For Comcast's own position, see

Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets

2007-10-21 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 13:03:11 -0400 (EDT) Sean Donelan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6332098.html The short answer: Badly. Based on the research, conducted by Terry Shaw, of CableLabs, and Jim Martin, a computer science professor at Clemson

Re: Upstreams blocking /24s? (was Re: How Not to Multihome)

2007-10-08 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 16:06:52 -0700 David Conrad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On Oct 8, 2007, at 2:48 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: However, if it's less than a /24 it won't get very far as most upstreams block prefixes longer than a /24. I'm curious: a couple of people have indicated they

Re: Question on Loosely Synchronized Router Clocks

2007-09-20 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:41:16 -0500 Brandon Galbraith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/20/07, James R. Cutler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kerberos does not assume clock synchronization. Kerberos requires reasonable clock synchronization. And, as near as I can tell, clock synchronization is

Re: Question on Loosely Synchronized Router Clocks

2007-09-18 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:51:55 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:27:32 PDT, Bora Akyol said: It is not dependent on time. You'd like a protocol to be self sufficient if at all possible. Moving the vulnerability of one protocol to another is not highly desirable

Re: Congestion control train-wreck workshop at Stanford: Call for Demos

2007-09-03 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Mon, 3 Sep 2007 21:21:26 -0400 Joe Abley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3-Sep-2007, at 1328, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Spurred on by a widespread belief that TCP is showing its age and needs replacing I don't mean to hijack this thread unnecessarily, but this seems like an

Re: For want of a single ethernet card, an airport was lost ...

2007-08-18 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 17:09:10 GMT Paul Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They don't even have to touch the hardware. :-) http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/11/72051 Did you see what the GAO found when they audited the US-VISIT network? The summary is at

Re: large organization nameservers sending icmp packets to dns servers.

2007-08-06 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 11:57:08 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 11:53:15 EDT, Drew Weaver said: Is it a fairly normal practice for large companies such as Yahoo! And Mozilla to send icmp/ping packets to DNS servers? If so, why? Sounds like one of the global-scale load

Re: DNS Hijacking by Cox

2007-07-22 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 14:56:13 -0700 Andrew Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It looks like cox is hijacking dns for irc servers. And people wonder why I support DNSsec --Steve Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb

Re: DNS Hijacking by Cox

2007-07-22 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:40:05 -0400 Patrick W. Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 22, 2007, at 9:29 PM, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 14:56:13 -0700 Andrew Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It looks like cox is hijacking dns for irc servers. And people wonder

Re: DNS Hijacking by Cox

2007-07-22 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
Several people have email me privately to disagree with my statement about DNSSEC, on various grounds. I stand by my statement, but I am making a fair number of assumptions, some perhaps invalid. Let me be less terse. I'm assuming fairly universal deployment. In other words, the root zone is

Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6

2007-06-28 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:27:15 -0400 John Curran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 10:16 AM -0700 6/28/07, Randy Bush wrote: Interoperability is achieved by having public facing servers reachable via IPv4 and IPv6. that may be what it looks like from the view of an address allocator.

Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6

2007-06-28 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 12:23:30 -0700 brett watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 28, 2007, at 11:44 AM, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: Whatever -- it exists as a reasonably stable design; starting over would cost us 15 more years that we just don't have.) Are you saying we

Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6

2007-06-28 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:46:53 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:08:52 PDT, Bora Akyol said: At a very low, hardware centric level, IPv6 would be a lot easier to implement if 1) The addresses were 64 bits instead of 128 bits. 2) The extension headers architecture

Re: Security gain from NAT

2007-06-05 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 22:06:25 -0400 Daniel Senie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 09:07 PM 6/4/2007, Jason Lewis wrote: I figured SMB would chime in...but his research says it's not so anonymous. http://illuminati.coralcdn.org/docs/bellovin.fnat.pdf The traffic load on this list is rather

Re: ISP CALEA compliance

2007-05-23 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Wed, 23 May 2007 16:02:35 -0400 Jared Mauch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 07:08:21PM +, Chris L. Morrow wrote: On Wed, 23 May 2007, Joe Abley wrote: Oh! That was a really old message I just replied to. Mail got kidnapped in a rogue barracuda, it

Re: RTT from NY to New Delhi?

2007-05-16 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Wed, 16 May 2007 09:20:48 -0400 Joe Maimon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What should I expect? I am seeing ~350 from a vendor provided mpls cloud to a site in Sukhrali Chowk, Gurgaon, Haryana, India Thanks, Joe What does traceroute show? I was doing some looking glass tests recently to some

Re: ISP CALEA compliance

2007-05-11 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Fri, 11 May 2007 10:42:14 -0400 Jason Frisvold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/11/07, Brandon Galbraith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My understanding was data you had needed to be turned over when requested, but CALEA provides no specification/guidance on log retention. Agreed. My

Re: ISP CALEA compliance

2007-05-11 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Fri, 11 May 2007 10:52:21 -0400 William Allen Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Lesher wrote: Speaking on Deep Background, the Press Secretary whispered: You work so hard to defend people that exploit children? Interesting. We are talking LEA here and not the latest in

Re: ISP CALEA compliance

2007-05-11 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Fri, 11 May 2007 12:17:04 -0400 Jared Mauch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If there is interest, perhaps I can make a call to DoJ and see if someone can present on CALEA at nanog in a few weeks? (incase the PC can accomodate them). And perhaps someone from CDT? I mean that in all

Re: ISP CALEA compliance

2007-05-11 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Fri, 11 May 2007 12:47:56 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Todd Glassey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gee Steven, that's what everyone thought prior to a Federal Judge ordering Microsoft to produce seven years of Email... We're getting off-topic here, but I'll respond. First -- the context of the

Re: ISP CALEA compliance

2007-05-10 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Thu, 10 May 2007 16:03:49 -0400 William Allen Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Congress authorized CALEA (and there is also argument about whether the recent expansion to ISPs was authorized at all), it cannot be required of the public until Congress *appropriates* the funds, and they

Re: barak-online.net icmp performance vs. traceroute/tcptraceroute, ssh, ipsec

2007-05-06 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Sun, 06 May 2007 20:27:20 -0400 Joe Maimon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lincoln Dale wrote: traceroute/tcptraceroute show packet loss and MUCH higher rtt than the corresponding direct pings on the reported hop entries. Is this some sort of massaging or plain just faking it? Or is

Re: BOGON Announcement question

2007-04-30 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:12:16 +0100 Randy Bush [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Collector: CIXP Prefix: 128.0.0.0/2 oh. any prefix of use is longer and hence is preferred Right. Think of it as the world's largest packet telescope. --Steve Bellovin,

Re: from the academic side of the house

2007-04-25 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:24:13 -0700 Jim Shankland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (2) Getting this kind of throughput seems to depend on a fast physical layer, plus some link-layer help (jumbo packets), plus careful TCP tuning to deal with the large bandwidth-delay product. The IP layer sits between

Re: BGP Problem on 04/16/2007

2007-04-19 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:00:53 -0400 Warren Kumari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There was also an issue where one of the large manufacturers of (binary) CAMs received a batch of polyimide that was contaminated with an alpa-emitter (for some reason thorium oxide springs to mind) and their quality

Re: Thoughts on increasing MTUs on the internet

2007-04-12 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 11:20:18 +0200 Iljitsch van Beijnum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear NANOGers, It irks me that today, the effective MTU of the internet is 1500 bytes, while more and more equipment can handle bigger packets. What do you guys think about a mechanism that allows hosts

Re: Thoughts on increasing MTUs on the internet

2007-04-12 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:12:43 +0200 Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Steven M. Bellovin: A few years ago, the IETF was considering various jumbogram options. As best I recall, that was the official response from the relevant IEEE folks: no. They're concerned with backward

Re: New RIPE NCC IPv4 blocks pingable addresses

2007-04-10 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:56:57 +0200 Alex Le Heux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Apologies for duplicate emails] Dear Colleages, The IANA recently allocated the IPv4 address ranges 92/8 and 93/8 to the RIPE NCC. The following pingable addresses are now available in these blocks:

Re: On-going Internet Emergency and Domain Names

2007-03-30 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 19:44:23 -0700 Jeff Shultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, is there a list of domains that we could null-route if we could convince our DNS managers to set us up as the SOA for those domains on our local DNS servers - thus protecting our own customers somewhat? I won't

Fw: Protocol Action: 'BGP Support for Four-octet AS Number Space' to Proposed Standard

2007-03-09 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
Begin forwarded message: Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:34:36 -0500 From: The IESG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: IETF-Announce ietf-announce@ietf.org Cc: idr mailing list idr@ietf.org, idr chair [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet Architecture Board iab@iab.org,RFC Editor rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org

Re: Where are static bogon filters appropriate? was: 96.2.0.0/16 Bogons

2007-03-04 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 07:46:12 -0800 Barry Greene (bgreene) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To 'globally' monitor, we have http://www.cymru.com/BGP/robbgp-bogon.html and http://www.cymru.com/BGP/asnbogusrep.html and http://www.cidr-report.org/ and http://www.routeviews.org/ and

Re: Where are static bogon filters appropriate? was: 96.2.0.0/16 Bogons

2007-03-02 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Fri, 2 Mar 2007 15:37:01 -0600 Eric Ortega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Sean raises a good point. I guess the larger picture is what are we trying to protect and what are trying to protect that from. Bingo. The problem isn't with security people, it's with security people who use

Re: Comcast contact for the East Coast

2007-03-02 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 21:08:58 -0500 Jim Popovitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2007-03-02 at 17:58 -0800, Ashe Canvar wrote: Could someone from Comcast please contact us ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). Customers behind Comcast on the east coast cannot get to our 216.219.126.0 prefix in Santa

Re: Where are static bogon filters appropriate? was: 96.2.0.0/16 Bogons

2007-03-01 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 14:22:37 + (GMT) Chris L. Morrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, Jon Lewis wrote: On Wed, 28 Feb 2007, Eric Ortega wrote: I'd like to thank the group for the responses and help with this issue. I find it ironic that Randy's study actually uses

Re: FCC on wifi at hotel

2007-03-01 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 19:55:37 -0800 Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a small number of wifi users with a card in a laptop to get to cellular broadband, itd be pretty easy.. You might want to check the terms of service for cellular broadband -- it's certainly not permitted by Verizon for the

Re: Every incident is an opportunity

2007-02-12 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:05:45 -0500 Barry Shein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the late 60s I remember having an interesting conversation with someone who did this kind of strategizing for the Dept of Civil Defense. His scenarios were markedly diferent from the urban folklore you'd hear from

Re: Every incident is an opportunity

2007-02-12 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 17:12:56 -0500 Barry Shein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, but the point was the goal of that targetting. The US public by and large believed, and seems to still believe (i.e., the TV show Jericho) that the goal of a USSR attack was purely vindictive, complete

Re: Every incident is an opportunity (was Re: Hackers hit key Internet traffic computers)

2007-02-11 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 23:36:32 -0600 Stasiniewicz, Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another time I was do some consulting work for a NPO. I was going over the findings of my audit and I told the IT manager that all of his machines were missing patches. His response: we only install service

Re: Every incident is an opportunity (was Re: Hackers hit key Internet traffic computers)

2007-02-11 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 10:49:30 -0600 Dave Pooser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He was both right and wrong -- patches do break a lot of stuff. He was facing two problems: the probability of being off the air because of an attack versus the probability of being off the air because of bad

Re: Hackers hit key Internet traffic computers

2007-02-07 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:17:34 -0800 Aaron Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/7/07, Alexander Harrowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A caveat - Ndex 4 is usually situation normal, members bored and discussing the relative merits of the Chicago and Kansas City cable tie knots. to be

Re: broken DNS proxying at public wireless hotspots

2007-02-03 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 13:29:13 -0600 Carl Karsten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure I could route dns queries out through a ssh tunnel but the latency makes this kind of thing unusable at times. instead of an ssh tunnel, how about simple port forwarding? /etc/resolv.conf nameserver

Re: Google wants to be your Internet

2007-01-29 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 19:57:24 -0500 Joseph S D Yao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jan 24, 2007 at 01:48:04PM -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... IPv6 makes NAT obsolete because IPv6 firewalls can provide all the useful features of IPv4 NAT without any of the downsides. ... IPv6

Re: on a different manners topic, was Re: Phishing...

2007-01-03 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
Don't include the email you're responding to then it's no longer top posting, plus you can still read the archive easily. It would be nice if mailing list software added the archive URL to all email forwarded. Then people could easily say In

NATting a whole country?

2007-01-03 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
According to http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/technology/AP-TechBit-Wikipedia-Block.html all of Qatar appears on the net as a single IP address. I don't know if it's NAT or a proxy that you need to use to get out to the world, but whatever the exact cause, it had a predictable consequence -- the

Re: NATting a whole country?

2007-01-03 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Thu, 4 Jan 2007 00:53:23 +0100 Iljitsch van Beijnum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4-jan-2007, at 0:31, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: According to http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/technology/AP-TechBit-Wikipedia- Block.html all of Qatar appears on the net as a single IP address. I wonder

Re: would you run this little script, please

2007-01-02 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 07:16:42 -1000 Randy Bush [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 I would be glad to run the script but I just want to verify that it was you who sent it. darned good point, ron. blush

Re: would you run this little script, please

2007-01-02 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 12:48:29 -0500 Marshall Eubanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the spirit of trust, but verify, I preferred to read the script. As did I, when Randy sent it to me earlier for testing... --Steve Bellovin,

Re: Regarding NDU.EDU

2007-01-02 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 21:48:29 GMT Fergie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 They took their systems offline a few weeks ago: http://www.fcw.com/article97160-12-19-06-Web Right -- something's definitely going on on that part of the world. See

Re: today's Wash Post Business section

2006-12-20 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 22:48:06 -0500 Edward Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, granted anyone looking for myspace might meet that demographic, but how many neophytes would use Google for a IP Who Is search? That's the listing I thought odd. Maybe it's a script written and run by someone

Re: The IESG Approved the Expansion of the AS Number Registry

2006-12-01 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Fri, 01 Dec 2006 16:02:55 + (GMT) Chris L. Morrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 1 Dec 2006, Andy Davidson wrote: RIPE will be accepting requests for 32-bit ASNs from 1/1/07, according to an email to ncc-services two weeks ago. It does not feel too early to start to

Re: UUNET issues?

2006-11-05 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
both. The network had added to it a self-cleaning function. Think of it as one long continuous sneeze. --Steven M. Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb

experience with Ethernet taps?

2006-11-05 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
Does anyone have any recommendations for Ethernet tap devices? Please reply privately; I'll summarize if there's interest. --Steven M. Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb

Re: BCP38 thread 93,871,738,435 (was Re: register.com down sev0?)

2006-10-26 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
attacks. Are those that large a portion of the attacks people are seeing? I agree that anti-spoofing is a good idea, and I've said so for a long time. I was one of the people who insisted that ATT do it, way back when. But I'm not convinced it's a major factor here. --Steven M

Re: BCP38 thread 93,871,738,435

2006-10-26 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:07:32 +0200, Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Steven M. Bellovin: As you note, the 20-25% figure (of addresses) has been pretty constant for quite a while. Assuming that subverted machines are uniformly distributed (a big assumption) I doubt

Re: passports for NANOG-39, Toronto

2006-10-26 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
, we had to wait close to two hours because of congestion at U.S. Immigration. (Of course, that was the way home -- folks going into Canada had virtually no wait, as best we could see...) --Steven M. Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb

Re: Collocation Access

2006-10-23 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
to be somewhere. A company-issued ID (at most) proves that you work for some company that may or may not (a) be present at the COLO, and (b) may or may not be there for legitimate reasons. What's necessary here is *permission*. --Steven M. Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb

Re: Broadband ISPs taxed for generating light energy

2006-10-11 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
as the binary number 1010 is 10 base 10. Surely that has to mean something! (Well, I just made it up, but it sounds goodd) --Steven M. Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb

Fw: Last Call: 'Key Change Strategies for TCP-MD5' to Informational RFC (draft-bellovin-keyroll2385)

2006-09-30 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
FYI. This RFC was inspired by comments at the last NANOG on the operational problems with 2385. Begin forwarded message: Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:54:00 -0400 From: The IESG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: IETF-Announce ietf-announce@ietf.org Subject: Last Call: 'Key Change Strategies for TCP-MD5'

Re: Outages mailing list

2006-09-29 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
, and thought better of it, even though they weren't to blame... Somebody actually reads those??? While in general I agree with your point, this case may be different -- it may be governed by the contract Rick has with InterNAP. --Steven M. Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb

Re: fyi-- [dns-operations] early key rollover for dlv.isc.org

2006-09-25 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
been a popular alternative for years. --Steven M. Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb

Re: fyi-- [dns-operations] early key rollover for dlv.isc.org

2006-09-22 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 19:29:31 -0400, Joseph S D Yao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not having committed the maths to heart, I might be able to explain it a little differently. Well, yes, I did just teach the RSA equations to my Network Security class --Steven M. Bellovin

Re: fyi-- [dns-operations] early key rollover for dlv.isc.org

2006-09-21 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
Paul, what exponent does the new key use? (I clicked on the public key link, but I can't decode the base64 that easily...)

Re: fyi-- [dns-operations] early key rollover for dlv.isc.org

2006-09-21 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
does, but I ended up in a maze of twisty little indirect function calls. But almost anything is going to be better than 3. (I'm probably going to write a BCP on that.) --Steven M. Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb

Re: Zimbabwe satellite service shutdown for non-payment

2006-09-19 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
the (proposed? built?) circum-Africa oceanic cable, with drops to each (coastal) country? Avoid the politics and instability of depending on a neighbor. --Steven M. Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb

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