Re: [IP] VeriSign prepares to relaunch Site Finder -- calls technologists biased

2004-02-23 Thread Randall Pigott
I am curious what the operational impact would be to network operators if, instead of Verisign using SiteFinder over all com and net, Verisign or their technology partner for SiteFinder began coercing a large number of independent ISPs and network operators to install their form of DNS

Re: [IP] VeriSign prepares to relaunch Site Finder -- calls technologists biased

2004-02-23 Thread Chris Woodfield
At the ISP level, there's nothing inherently wrong with this, IMO; AOL and MSN do it already, as does Microsoft. If your customers don't like it, they are capable of voting with their checkbooks, particularly with dial service; with cable and DSL, the waters are a bit muddier because a cable

Re: [IP] VeriSign prepares to relaunch Site Finder -- calls technologists biased

2004-02-23 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:58:39 EST, Randall Pigott said: Is there concern to be raised by network operators over such schemes if deployed at the individual ISP level, particularly if such technology becomes widespread? They're your customers. This week, anyhow. That's the big difference

Re: [IP] VeriSign prepares to relaunch Site Finder -- calls technologists biased

2004-02-23 Thread Curtis Maurand
That's not the point. A failed DNS lookup actually needs to fail, not get redirected. Curtis On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, Randall Pigott wrote: I am curious what the operational impact would be to network operators if, instead of Verisign using SiteFinder over all com and net, Verisign or

Re: [IP] VeriSign prepares to relaunch Site Finder -- calls technologists biased

2004-02-23 Thread David A. Ulevitch
quote who=Curtis Maurand That's not the point. A failed DNS lookup actually needs to fail, not get redirected. Perhaps you need to change your definition of failed? The lookup has not failed if the rcode in the reply is set to a non-failing value. -davidu

Re: [IP] VeriSign prepares to relaunch Site Finder -- calls technologists biased

2004-02-23 Thread Rubens Kuhl Jr.
|Is there concern to be raised by network operators over such schemes if |deployed at the individual ISP level, particularly if such technology |becomes widespread? Yes: the DNS structure is a scalable way to locate IP addresses for names, but it needs trust as people can bypass it and go

Re: [IP] VeriSign prepares to relaunch Site Finder -- calls technologists biased

2004-02-23 Thread Paul Vixie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rubens Kuhl Jr.) writes: ... the DNS structure is a scalable way to locate IP addresses for names, but it needs trust as people can bypass it and go directly to root servers, gtld servers, cctld servers. The more non-standard hacks the structure get, the more distrust it

Re: [IP] VeriSign prepares to relaunch Site Finder -- calls technologists biased

2004-02-23 Thread Petri Helenius
Paul Vixie wrote: DNSSEC, now in its eleventh year of preproduction, is supposed to make this kind of middletweaking more detectable, but not more preventable. I suspect that Rodney's idea for doing DNS over IP tunnels is even more desireable than he thinks, for reasons he may not have yet

Re: [IP] VeriSign prepares to relaunch Site Finder -- calls technologists biased

2004-02-23 Thread Stephen J. Wilcox
I'm probably on my own here but I dont think its that bad an idea.. seems like a decent way to earn some money, of course you may create some bad press and upset some customers but doesnt everything. At least we the operators are left in control, and even end sites always have the option of

[IP] VeriSign prepares to relaunch Site Finder -- calls technologists biased

2004-02-09 Thread Gregory Hicks
From Dave Farber's IP list... --- http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A25819-2004Feb9_2.html VeriSign Reconsiders Search Service Site Finder was not controversial with users, 84 percent of whom said they liked it as a helpful navigation service, said Tom

Re: [IP] VeriSign prepares to relaunch Site Finder -- calls technologists biased

2004-02-09 Thread Alex Kamantauskas
Galvin said that the continued opposition stems from an ideological belief by a narrow section of the technological community who don't believe you should innovate the core infrastructure of the Internet. Again, the close knit community responds: _ INNOVATE

Re: [IP] VeriSign prepares to relaunch Site Finder -- calls technologists biased

2004-02-09 Thread williamatelan.net
If they give us 90 days headstart, by the time its supposed to start it'd be blocked everywhere and Microsoft and Netscape would have released a fix to redirect users to the page of their choice. If 90 days is not enough to release such updates to software, lawyers can make sure its delayed

Re: [IP] VeriSign prepares to relaunch Site Finder -- calls technologists biased

2004-02-09 Thread Chris Yarnell
and this helps fix thed biased technologists image, how? Again, the close knit community responds: [ ... ]

Re: [IP] VeriSign prepares to relaunch Site Finder -- calls technologists biased

2004-02-09 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Gregory == Gregory Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gregory From Dave Farber's IP list... Gregory VeriSign Reconsiders Search Service This is an interesting suggestion that I saw on another list. It may or may not be feasible, but it is certainly interesting, I must say. srs