Re: Lawsuit on ICANN (was: Re: A few words on VeriSign's sitefinder)

2004-02-28 Thread Paul Vixie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Jeftovic) writes: Verisign sold off NetSol to Pivotal Private Equity last year for 100 million, which takes them out of the registrar space and leaves them as the registry. it'll be several quarters, and one audited annual report, before we'll know how much control

RE: Lawsuit on ICANN (was: Re: A few words on VeriSign's sitefinder)

2004-02-27 Thread Stephen J. Wilcox
Not, I hasten to add, that I support Sitefinder or WLS (although I think I like consolidate). But what I like isn't the issue. Even if having Just to recap here, this thread plus the articles I'm reading miss one of the major points (a commercial one essentialy).. Verisign is really two

RE: Lawsuit on ICANN (was: Re: A few words on VeriSign's sitefinder)

2004-02-27 Thread Mark Jeftovic
On Fri, 27 Feb 2004, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote: Verisign is really two entities wrt .com/net - it is the registry and the registrar. As a registrar it occupies the same position as the many other registrars.. tucows, melbourne, joker etc .. as a registry it occupies a privileged position in

Re: Lawsuit on ICANN (was: Re: A few words on VeriSign's sitefinder)

2004-02-27 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine
Verisign is really two entities wrt .com/net - it is the registry and the registrar. Verisign Registrar, aka Network Solutions, was sold off to Pivotal Private Equity last Fall. Other lines of analysis to attempt: o what are registry services and what are not. o if a

Re: Lawsuit on ICANN (was: Re: A few words on VeriSign's sitefinder)

2004-02-27 Thread Michael Painter
http://techupdate.zdnet.com/special_report/Stratton_Sclavos.html

Re: Lawsuit on ICANN (was: Re: A few words on VeriSign's sitefinder)

2004-02-26 Thread Neil J. McRae
http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/040226/tech_verisign_2.html can't say I'm surprised. Another nail in the Verisign coffin.

Re: Lawsuit on ICANN (was: Re: A few words on VeriSign's sitefinder)

2004-02-26 Thread Jay Hennigan
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004, Deepak Jain wrote: Since no one else has mentioned this: http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/040226/tech_verisign_2.html Looks like I need to stock up on popcorn. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Administration - [EMAIL PROTECTED] WestNet: Connecting you to the planet. 805

Re: Lawsuit on ICANN (was: Re: A few words on VeriSign's sitefinder)

2004-02-26 Thread Scott Call
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004, Roman Volf wrote: When are they up for renewal exactly? November 10, 2007, according to http://www.icann.org/tlds/agreements/verisign/registry-agmt-com-25may01.htm -S

Re: Lawsuit on ICANN (was: Re: A few words on VeriSign's sitefinder)

2004-02-26 Thread Paul Vixie
in response to... http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/040226/tech_verisign_2.html X-Mailer: MH-E 7.4; nmh 1.0.4; GNU Emacs 21.3.1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Neil J. McRae) writes: can't say I'm surprised. Another nail in the Verisign coffin. it's not nearly that simple. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Neiberger) added:

RE: Lawsuit on ICANN (was: Re: A few words on VeriSign's sitefinder)

2004-02-26 Thread David Schwartz
By the way, do we even know what we're talking about? Specifically, has VeriSign produced a set of specifications for exactly what SiteFinder is and does? For example, is it guaranteed to return the same A record for all unregistered domains? Is it guaranteed that that A record

RE: Lawsuit on ICANN (was: Re: A few words on VeriSign's sitefinder)

2004-02-26 Thread Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law
The lawsuit is not premature to the extent that 1. VRSN were told (however justly) to cease and desist Site Finder 1.0 or else face consequences. 2. VRSN were told they couldn't implement the Consolidate service without making other concessions [according to the complaint the service allowed

Re: Lawsuit on ICANN (was: Re: A few words on VeriSign's sitefinder)

2004-02-26 Thread Deepak Jain
Scott Call wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2004, Roman Volf wrote: When are they up for renewal exactly? November 10, 2007, according to http://www.icann.org/tlds/agreements/verisign/registry-agmt-com-25may01.htm -S I think as far as Verisign is concerned, they might not be an ongoing concern in

RE: Lawsuit on ICANN (was: Re: A few words on VeriSign's sitefinder)

2004-02-26 Thread Randy Bush
By the way, do we even know what we're talking about? that is not needed to flame folk such as verisign. lynch mobs look pretty good until you are the one on guantanamo. randy

Re: Lawsuit on ICANN (was: Re: A few words on VeriSign's sitefinder)

2004-02-26 Thread Paul Vixie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (william(at)elan.net) writes: ... And based on that Verisign rule over these tlds ends in November 2007 no. See page 19 of: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/delivery.cfm/SSRN_ID475281_code70168.pdf?abstractid=475281 i think that verisign and icann are stuck with each other, in

Re: Lawsuit on ICANN (was: Re: A few words on VeriSign's sitefinder)

2004-02-26 Thread william(at)elan.net
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004, John Kinsella wrote: When are they up for renewal exactly? November 10, 2007, according Any way to speed that up? ;) http://www.icann.org/tlds/agreements/verisign/registry-agmt-com-25may01.htm 16. Termination ... B. In the event of termination by DOC of its

Re: Lawsuit on ICANN (was: Re: A few words on VeriSign's sitefinder)

2004-02-26 Thread John Kinsella
Any way to speed that up? ;) John On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 03:57:12PM -0800, Scott Call wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2004, Roman Volf wrote: When are they up for renewal exactly? November 10, 2007, according to http://www.icann.org/tlds/agreements/verisign/registry-agmt-com-25may01.htm

Re: Lawsuit on ICANN (was: Re: A few words on VeriSign's sitefinder)

2004-02-26 Thread william(at)elan.net
For ICANN/Registry agreements see here: http://www.icann.org/registries/agreements.htm Specific agreements all technical specs Verisign agreed to follow: http://www.icann.org/tlds/agreements/verisign/com-index.htm http://www.icann.org/tlds/agreements/verisign/net-index.htm And based on

Re: Lawsuit on ICANN (was: Re: A few words on VeriSign's sitefinder)

2004-02-26 Thread Roman Volf
When are they up for renewal exactly? william(at)elan.net wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2004, Deepak Jain wrote: Since no one else has mentioned this: http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/040226/tech_verisign_2.html And I'm sure ICANN will remember it for long time - right up to the point when Verisign's

Re: Lawsuit on ICANN (was: Re: A few words on VeriSign's sitefinder)

2004-02-26 Thread william(at)elan.net
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004, Deepak Jain wrote: Since no one else has mentioned this: http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/040226/tech_verisign_2.html And I'm sure ICANN will remember it for long time - right up to the point when Verisign's contracts for .com/.net management are up for renewal. -- William

Re: Lawsuit on ICANN (was: Re: A few words on VeriSign's sitefinder)

2004-02-26 Thread John Neiberger
Neil J. McRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2/26/04 3:03:52 PM http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/040226/tech_verisign_2.html can't say I'm surprised. Another nail in the Verisign coffin. They must have taken a page from the recently-released book How to Shoot Your Company in the Foot, by SCO. * John -- The

Lawsuit on ICANN (was: Re: A few words on VeriSign's sitefinder)

2004-02-26 Thread Deepak Jain
Since no one else has mentioned this: http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/040226/tech_verisign_2.html

Re: A few words on VeriSign's sitefinder

2004-02-11 Thread Curtis Maurand
On Tue, 10 Feb 2004, williamatelan.net wrote: The United States is a republic, not a democracy. There's a huge difference. Are you well enough versed in the political science to define and understand the differences? If you're you'll know that there is no and never been any true

A few words on VeriSign's sitefinder

2004-02-10 Thread David Monosov
Sorry for barging in to this fine mailing list like this; long time reader, first time contributor. We, as the Internet engineering community, have made a great mistake. Actually, it wasn't even one large mistake, but a series of small ones. Engineers are busy people, and most us work under the

Re: A few words on VeriSign's sitefinder

2004-02-10 Thread Curtis Maurand
On Tue, 10 Feb 2004, David Monosov wrote: where there is power, there are struggles to take control over that power, and exploit it. This is apparently one of the beauties of democratic capitalism (under which I will be so bold to presume many of us live). The United States is a republic,

Re: A few words on VeriSign's sitefinder

2004-02-10 Thread williamatelan.net
On Tue, 10 Feb 2004, David Monosov wrote: where there is power, there are struggles to take control over that power, and exploit it. This is apparently one of the beauties of democratic capitalism (under which I will be so bold to presume many of us live). The United States is a

Re: A few words on VeriSign's sitefinder

2004-02-10 Thread Paul Vixie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Monosov) writes: ... Root servers, and the .net, .com (as well as .org) domains belong to the world now; Welcome to the global democracy, brought to you by the ability to send packets across the globe at the speed of light. We all rely on them, and their management