Re: Blocking port udp/tcp 1433/1434

2005-05-12 Thread Jeff Kell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Thu, 12 May 2005 12:23:19 CDT, John Kristoff said: >>I think there always has been some justification. Here is a very >>small sample of real traffic that I can assure is not Slammer traffic, >>but it is being filtered nonetheless (IP addresses removed): >> >> May 1

Re: Blocking port udp/tcp 1433/1434

2005-05-12 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 12 May 2005 12:23:19 CDT, John Kristoff said: > I think there always has been some justification. Here is a very > small sample of real traffic that I can assure is not Slammer traffic, > but it is being filtered nonetheless (IP addresses removed): > > May 12 09:15:30.598 CDT[...] deni

Re: Blocking port udp/tcp 1433/1434

2005-05-12 Thread John Kristoff
On Thu, 12 May 2005 04:15:07 -1000 Brian Russo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Perhaps a better question is: > > Is there now justification for allowing transit for ms-sql slammer > ports? I think there always has been some justification. Here is a very small sample of real traffic that I can ass

Re: Blocking port udp/tcp 1433/1434

2005-05-12 Thread Brian Russo
End to end, but I'm afraid current realities do not always permit that approach and we must occasionally build walls. Sure, I wish people would fully step up to the plate and demand robust software/protocols. Secure, strong encryption and software that isn't filled with buffer overflows and othe

Re: Blocking port udp/tcp 1433/1434

2005-05-12 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 12 May 2005 04:15:07 -1000, Brian Russo said: > Is there now justification for allowing transit for ms-sql slammer ports? That depends. Do you believe in end-to-end or walled-garden? pgp000U5ef4oe.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Blocking port udp/tcp 1433/1434

2005-05-12 Thread Brian Russo
Perhaps a better question is: Is there now justification for allowing transit for ms-sql slammer ports? - bri Joe Maimon wrote: Is there still justification for denying transit for ms-sql slammer ports? Thanks, Joe -- Brian Russo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (808) 277 8623

Re: Blocking port udp/tcp 1433/1434

2005-05-11 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Wed, 11 May 2005, Jon Lewis wrote: > > On Wed, 11 May 2005, Christopher L. Morrow wrote: > > > > Is there still justification for denying transit for ms-sql slammer ports? > > > > probably not, but that's really a local-to-your-asn decision. > > I dunno about that. I know it was more than a y

Re: Blocking port udp/tcp 1433/1434

2005-05-11 Thread Jon Lewis
On Wed, 11 May 2005, MARLON BORBA wrote: > > > if you are sure there are no more infected machines out there... > There will always be infected machines out there. The question is, are there infectable machines on your network, and will your network contain them or melt down if you allow them

Re: Blocking port udp/tcp 1433/1434

2005-05-11 Thread Jon Lewis
On Wed, 11 May 2005, Christopher L. Morrow wrote: > > Is there still justification for denying transit for ms-sql slammer ports? > > probably not, but that's really a local-to-your-asn decision. I dunno about that. I know it was more than a year ago, but at NANOG Miami, someone brought either S

Re: Blocking port udp/tcp 1433/1434

2005-05-11 Thread Hank Nussbacher
On Wed, 11 May 2005, Jeff Kell wrote: > The SANS ISC currently gives an "Internet Survival Time" of 24 minutes > for an unpatched windows box. I would give an unpatched Windows server > with an old copy of MSSQL a considerably shorter lifespan :-) See: http://www.bbcworld.com/content/clickonlin

Re: Blocking port udp/tcp 1433/1434

2005-05-11 Thread Gadi Evron
> f) slammers half life is incredibly long Worms have a very long life on the Internet, we still see swen.. and we still see (although interesting) niche worms that attacked just one specific personal firewall. :/ > Does anybody have any idea of the rate of NEW slammer infections? The net is an

Re: Blocking port udp/tcp 1433/1434

2005-05-11 Thread Joe Maimon
Joe Maimon wrote: Is there still justification for denying transit for ms-sql slammer ports? Thanks, Joe Thanks all for your responses. To me it appears that a) If you block 135/445 you should block slammer as well b) If the number of potential infected hosts connected to your network can threat

Re: Blocking port udp/tcp 1433/1434

2005-05-11 Thread Jeff Kell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chip Mefford wrote: > on my "at work" small network, slammer (or slammer like) traffic is > still around 2% of inbound blocked traffic. (just a dead end off > of asn 6467) Almost every time I update our border ingress ACL (which removes the ACL for

Re: Blocking port udp/tcp 1433/1434

2005-05-11 Thread Chip Mefford
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Joe Maimon wrote: | | Is there still justification for denying transit for ms-sql slammer ports? on my "at work" small network, slammer (or slammer like) traffic is still around 2% of inbound blocked traffic. (just a dead end off of asn 6467) -BEGIN

Re: Blocking port udp/tcp 1433/1434

2005-05-11 Thread Gadi Evron
Jeff Rosowski wrote: > >> Is there still justification for denying transit for ms-sql slammer >> ports? > > > Well MS-SQL Worm propagation attempts and MS-SQL version overflow > attempts account for 62% of the activity on our Internet facing IDS. It changes from 40% to 70% here at AS8867, as w

Re: Blocking port udp/tcp 1433/1434

2005-05-11 Thread Jeff Rosowski
Is there still justification for denying transit for ms-sql slammer ports? Well MS-SQL Worm propagation attempts and MS-SQL version overflow attempts account for 62% of the activity on our Internet facing IDS.

Re: Blocking port udp/tcp 1433/1434

2005-05-11 Thread Fergie (Paul Ferguson)
You decide: http://www.dshield.org/topports.php http://www.mynetwatchman.com/tp.asp - ferg -- Joe Maimon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is there still justification for denying transit for ms-sql slammer ports? Thanks, Joe -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for th

Re: Blocking port udp/tcp 1433/1434

2005-05-11 Thread MARLON BORBA
if you are sure there are no more infected machines out there... best regards, marlon borba, cissp >>> Joe Maimon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 11/5/2005 12:51:15 >>> Is there still justification for denying transit for ms-sql slammer ports? Thanks, Joe

Re: Blocking port udp/tcp 1433/1434

2005-05-11 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Wed, 11 May 2005, Joe Maimon wrote: > > Is there still justification for denying transit for ms-sql slammer ports? > probably not, but that's really a local-to-your-asn decision.

Blocking port udp/tcp 1433/1434

2005-05-11 Thread Joe Maimon
Is there still justification for denying transit for ms-sql slammer ports? Thanks, Joe