Re: Broadband ISPs taxed for generating light energy

2006-10-11 Thread Michael . Dillon
A Cisco ZX GBIC produces a max of 4.77 dBm (or less than 4mw). 4mw corresponds to 35 watt hours in one year. .035 kwh per year costs 34.5 cents per year using the average US electricity cost in March 2006 of 9.86 cents/kwh. Since the energy flow could be bidirectional, one of the two

Re: Broadband ISPs taxed for generating light energy

2006-10-11 Thread Joseph S D Yao
On Tue, Oct 10, 2006 at 11:36:41AM -0400, Joe Loiacono wrote: Notice the date: October 10. That is the Indian equivalent of our April 1. Ah. Culture clash. Therefore the story can be relegated to the same coop as the IP-carrying pigeons. The sole justification for asking this is to help us

Re: Broadband ISPs taxed for generating light energy

2006-10-11 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:57:17 -0400, Joseph S D Yao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Oct 10, 2006 at 11:36:41AM -0400, Joe Loiacono wrote: Notice the date: October 10. That is the Indian equivalent of our April 1. Ah. Culture clash. Therefore the story can be relegated to the same

Re: Broadband ISPs taxed for generating light energy

2006-10-11 Thread Joseph S D Yao
On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 02:16:05PM -0400, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: ... It's 10/10, which if viewed as the binary number 1010 is 10 base 10. Surely that has to mean something! (Well, I just made it up, but it sounds goodd) ... Steve, think about it. For all base N, N 1, 10 base 10 is

Re: Broadband ISPs taxed for generating light energy

2006-10-11 Thread Joseph S D Yao
On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 11:36:03AM -0700, Gregory Hicks wrote: ... My wife (Korean) tole me yesterday that the past weekend was Chusok (or Korean 'Thanksgiving' - Actually, the Harvest Festival)... So maybe India has something similar...? ... But why would the Harvest Festival be the

Re: Broadband ISPs taxed for generating light energy

2006-10-11 Thread Gregory Hicks
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:16:05 -0400 From: Steven M. Bellovin [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:57:17 -0400, Joseph S D Yao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Oct 10, 2006 at 11:36:41AM -0400, Joe Loiacono wrote: Notice the date: October 10. That is the Indian equivalent

Re: Broadband ISPs taxed for generating light energy

2006-10-11 Thread Jeff Shultz
Joseph S D Yao wrote: On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 11:36:03AM -0700, Gregory Hicks wrote: ... My wife (Korean) tole me yesterday that the past weekend was Chusok (or Korean 'Thanksgiving' - Actually, the Harvest Festival)... So maybe India has something similar...? ... But why would the Harvest

Re: Broadband ISPs taxed for generating light energy

2006-10-11 Thread Jaap Akkerhuis
Notice the date: October 10. That is the Indian equivalent of our April 1. According to http://www.april-fools.us/history-april-fools.htm, the Indian equivalent of April fools day is the Huli festival on March 31. jaap

Re: Broadband ISPs taxed for generating light energy

2006-10-11 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
On 10/11/06, Joseph S D Yao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is 10 October their 01 April? Looks like you got october-fooled, Mr.Yao :) 10 October is just a date like any other .. those of us in India who want to play tricks on our friends stick to 4/1 like everybody else -- Suresh

Broadband ISPs taxed for generating light energy

2006-10-10 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
.. because they provide internet over fiber optic cables, which work by sending pulses of light down the cable to push packets .. http://www.hindu.com/2006/10/10/stories/2006101012450400.htm So they get slapped with tax + penalties of INR 241.8 million. Broadband providers

Re: Broadband ISPs taxed for generating light energy

2006-10-10 Thread Fergie
Is it April 1st already? :-) - ferg -- Suresh Ramasubramanian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .. because they provide internet over fiber optic cables, which work by sending pulses of light down the cable to push packets .. http://www.hindu.com/2006/10/10/stories/2006101012450400.htm So they get

Re: Broadband ISPs taxed for generating light energy

2006-10-10 Thread Michael . Dillon
In the process of data transmission, other than light energy, no other elements are involved and the customers are paying for the same. This proves that light energy constitutes goods, which is liable for levy of tax. Therefore, the State has every legal competence and jurisdiction to tax

Re: Broadband ISPs taxed for generating light energy

2006-10-10 Thread Simon Lockhart
On Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 02:40:25PM +, Fergie wrote: Is it April 1st already? :-) Their reasoning is certainly barmy, but some dark-fibre customers in the UK get charged business property taxes on the fibre. Simon -- Simon Lockhart | * Sun Server Colocation * ADSL * Domain Registration *

Re: Broadband ISPs taxed for generating light energy

2006-10-10 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
On 10/10/06, Fergie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it April 1st already? :-) - ferg Sadly, I dont think taxmen ever had a sense of humor

Re: Broadband ISPs taxed for generating light energy

2006-10-10 Thread Bill Woodcock
Sounds reasonable to me. Since the sale of energy is usually measured in kilowatt-hours, how many kwh of energy is transmitted across the average optical fibre before it reaches the powereda mplifier in the destination switch/router? Also, remember, it's _net_ energy

RE: Broadband ISPs taxed for generating light energy

2006-10-10 Thread Scott Morris
But they clearly have too much time on their hands. Whodathunkit? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Suresh Ramasubramanian Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 10:51 AM To: Fergie Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Broadband ISPs taxed

Re: Broadband ISPs taxed for generating light energy

2006-10-10 Thread Brandon Butterworth
Nothing new, we had a form of this long ago http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Window_tax Charging per fibre/mile is much the same brandon

Re: Broadband ISPs taxed for generating light energy

2006-10-10 Thread Roy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .. Sounds reasonable to me. Since the sale of energy is usually measured in kilowatt-hours, how many kwh of energy is transmitted across the average optical fibre before it reaches the powereda mplifier in the destination switch/router? I'd like to see some hard

Re: Broadband ISPs taxed for generating light energy

2006-10-10 Thread Alexander Harrowell
Reasonable? I think you mean justifiable. On 10/10/06, Bill Woodcock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds reasonable to me. Since the sale of energy is usually measured in kilowatt-hours, how many kwh of energy is transmitted across the average optical fibre before it reaches

Re: Broadband ISPs taxed for generating light energy

2006-10-10 Thread Joe Loiacono
Notice the date: October 10. That is the Indian equivalent of our April 1. Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 10/10/2006 10:28:13 AM: .. because they provide internet over fiber optic cables, which workby sending pulses of light down the cable to push packets ..

Re: Broadband ISPs taxed for generating light energy

2006-10-10 Thread Owen DeLong
On Oct 10, 2006, at 8:08 AM, Bill Woodcock wrote: Sounds reasonable to me. Since the sale of energy is usually measured in kilowatt-hours, how many kwh of energy is transmitted across the average optical fibre before it reaches the powereda mplifier in the destination switch/router? Also,

Re: Broadband ISPs taxed for generating light energy

2006-10-10 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Well there's of course back taxes charged for a period of ~ 3 years or more, plus interest and late payment penalties on those back taxes On 10/10/06, Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A Cisco ZX GBIC produces a max of 4.77 dBm (or less than 4mw). 4mw corresponds to 35 watt hours in one year.

Re: Broadband ISPs taxed for generating light energy

2006-10-10 Thread Matthew Black
A rather humorous article from a rhetorical perspective. The reporter emphasizes the innocence of generating light while ignoring its commercial aspects. Those light pulses are very valuable to recipients. This tax seems to parallel the U.S. Federal Excise Tax on photons and electrons (i.e.,

Re: Broadband ISPs taxed for 'generating light energy'

2006-10-10 Thread Frank Coluccio
Perhaps five or six years ago, Lucent was experimenting with a fiber to the home application that took the received optical signal and passed it through a splitter on the customer's premises. One half of the received signal went to the optical network element's receive circuitry, and the other