Re: DARPA and the network

2005-09-06 Thread Henning Brauer
* Todd Vierling [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-08-05 00:26]: I'm one of the developers for NetBSD. From what I can see, on average, all the BSDs are about the same when it comes to addressing vulnerabilities. They're almost on par when it comes to preventative measures (but remember, some

Re: DARPA and the network

2005-09-06 Thread Florian Weimer
* Henning Brauer: so if the BSDs are en par with preventive measures, why is OpenBSD (to my knowledge) the only one shipping ProPolice, which prevented basically any buffer overflow seen in the wild for some time now? Why is OpenBSD the only one to have randomized library loading,

Re: DARPA and the network

2005-09-06 Thread Henning Brauer
* Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-09-06 11:44]: * Henning Brauer: so if the BSDs are en par with preventive measures, why is OpenBSD (to my knowledge) the only one shipping ProPolice, which prevented basically any buffer overflow seen in the wild for some time now? Why is

Re: DARPA and the network

2005-09-06 Thread Michael . Dillon
yes, it is. we can further dicuss that in private if you wish; however, claiming OpenBSD is just more vocal about security is just far off reality, and that had to be put in perspective. The real question is not whether other BSDs or other Unices are following OpenBSD's lead. I'd like to

Re: DARPA and the network

2005-09-06 Thread Alexei Roudnev
: Re: DARPA and the network * Henning Brauer: so if the BSDs are en par with preventive measures, why is OpenBSD (to my knowledge) the only one shipping ProPolice, which prevented basically any buffer overflow seen in the wild for some time now? Why is OpenBSD the only one to have

Re: DARPA and the network

2005-09-06 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 12:04:14PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes, it is. we can further dicuss that in private if you wish; however, claiming OpenBSD is just more vocal about security is just far off reality, and that had to be put in perspective. The real question is not whether

Re: DARPA and the network

2005-09-06 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 11:35:22 +0200, Henning Brauer said: (Off-topic, but needs correcting...) so if the BSDs are en par with preventive measures, why is OpenBSD (to my knowledge) the only one shipping ProPolice, which prevented basically any buffer overflow seen in the wild for some time

Re: DARPA and the network

2005-09-06 Thread Henning Brauer
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-09-06 20:04]: On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 11:35:22 +0200, Henning Brauer said: (Off-topic, but needs correcting...) well, then please correct correctly... so if the BSDs are en par with preventive measures, why is OpenBSD (to my knowledge) the only one

Re: DARPA and the network

2005-09-06 Thread Paul Jakma
On Tue, 6 Sep 2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The real question is not whether other BSDs or other Unices are following OpenBSD's lead. At least one Linux distro ships with quite a few of the features Henning mentions (exec-shield since FC2, FORTIFY_SOURCE - available in FC3, FC4 built with

DARPA and the network

2005-08-04 Thread Michael . Dillon
Since the modern military runs on networks, DARPA funds various programs to make networks better and more secure. One of these was CHATS. Here is the business case taken from the DARPA budget justification: -- The Composable High Assurance Trusted Systems (CHATS) program is developing the

Re: DARPA and the network

2005-08-04 Thread Tim Yocum
On Aug 4, 2005, at 8:20 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So why did OpenBSD succeed in their rigorous audit process? Michael, there is nothing 'rigorous' about OpenBSD's audit process. If you substitute 'vigorous' or 'enthusiastic' we might agree with you... but 'rigorous' it is not.

Re: DARPA and the network

2005-08-04 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 14:20:46 BST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: If we want to prevent this, then we have to work as hard and as smart as the many people who are tackling Islamist terrorist cells. A large number of the security initiatives we see are actually useless or worse for security, and are

Re: DARPA and the network

2005-08-04 Thread Florian Weimer
* Michael Dillon: So why did OpenBSD succeed in their rigorous audit process? Have they? The list at http://www.openbsd.org/security.html#37 continues to grow, and nowadays, it seems that only a fraction of those issues have been discovered by the OpenBSD audit process. Searching for

Re: DARPA and the network

2005-08-04 Thread Todd Vierling
On Thu, 4 Aug 2005, Florian Weimer wrote: So why did OpenBSD succeed in their rigorous audit process? Have they? The list at http://www.openbsd.org/security.html#37 continues to grow, and nowadays, it seems that only a fraction of those issues have been discovered by the OpenBSD audit