Re: Delegating /24's from a /19

2005-03-17 Thread Edward Lewis
At 23:54 -0800 3/16/05, Owen DeLong wrote: Ed's comments: If that were true, then, there would be no such thing as recursive resolvers and all clients would have to have recursive libraries. If I ask a recursive resolver for a foreign A record, I usually get an A record in response. If I ask a

Re: Delegating /24's from a /19

2005-03-16 Thread Pete Templin
Robert Bonomi wrote: OK, what am I missing? *ASSUMPTION*: The holder of the /16 _has_ delegated rDNS for the 32 /24s to the /19 owner. The /19 owner can, on it's nameserver, run an authoritative zone for the /16 -- with _its_ /24s listed explicitly, and a wildcard pointing back to the rDNS

Re: Delegating /24's from a /19

2005-03-16 Thread Edward Lewis
At 20:22 -0800 3/15/05, Owen DeLong wrote: I'm not sure what you mean by sideways delegations. It is perfectly acceptable, for example, for: a.root-servers.net returns 16.172.in-addr.arpa. IN NS ns1.arin.net. ns1.arin.net returns 124.16.172.in-addr.apra. IN NS ns1.foobar.com. ns1.foobar.com.

Re: Delegating /24's from a /19

2005-03-16 Thread Edward Lewis
At 13:48 -0800 3/16/05, David Raistrick wrote: On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, Edward Lewis wrote: aside) to uphold. In the global DNS, no matter where you ask question, you should get the same answer. Really? Yes. dig @ns1.arin.net 124.16.172.in-addr.arpa. IN NS and dig @ns1.foobar.com

Re: Delegating /24's from a /19

2005-03-16 Thread Mark Andrews
2) Use DNAME, RFC 2672. Good luck. (http://www.isc.org/index.pl?/pubs/tn/index.pl?tn=isc-tn-2002-1.html) 3) Use RFC 2317. I encourage my competitors to operate this way. Note: DNAME is equivalent to RFC 2317. In both cases this will break the customers expectation that

Re: Delegating /24's from a /19

2005-03-16 Thread Edward Lewis
At 16:56 -0500 3/16/05, Edward Lewis wrote: servers in the first belong to 209/8, the latter to 209.173.48/8. Whoops - the last is /24. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Edward Lewis+1-571-434-5468 NeuStar

Re: Delegating /24's from a /19

2005-03-16 Thread Owen DeLong
I'm afraid that above is not an accurate or workable sequence of events. Not accurate in the sense that I left out some of the queries and left it as a summary of the relevant ones, however... [...bind 9.3.1...] snip Note too that this is from a fresh (empty) cache. Some queries are not needed

Delegating /24's from a /19

2005-03-15 Thread Mike Sawicki
Our organization has a /19 assignment from ARIN. We have given portions of this space to several other companies within our corporate umbrella. Several of these other companies have their own nameservers, and would like to be able to manage DNS on their own for their in-addr.arpa. blocks. What

Re: Delegating /24's from a /19

2005-03-15 Thread bmanning
On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 01:02:22PM -0500, Mike Sawicki wrote: Our organization has a /19 assignment from ARIN. We have given portions of this space to several other companies within our corporate umbrella. Several of these other companies have their own nameservers, and would like to be

Re: Delegating /24's from a /19

2005-03-15 Thread alex
On Tue, 15 Mar 2005, Mike Sawicki wrote: Our organization has a /19 assignment from ARIN. We have given portions of this space to several other companies within our corporate umbrella. Several of these other companies have their own nameservers, and would like to be able to manage DNS on

Re: Delegating /24's from a /19

2005-03-15 Thread Robert Blayzor
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Either by doing DNS delegation on the zone boundary or by SWIP'ing the space to the other company. You can SWIP it yes, but that won't help DNS on small blocks like /24's. It is very easy to do DNS delegation, say if you have 128.0.0.0/19, and you want to delegate

Re: Delegating /24's from a /19

2005-03-15 Thread Robert Bonomi
From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Mar 15 14:12:12 2005 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:12:10 -0500 From: Robert Blayzor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Mike Sawicki [EMAIL PROTECTED], nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Delegating /24's from a /19 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Either by doing DNS

Re: Delegating /24's from a /19

2005-03-15 Thread Mark Andrews
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write: From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Mar 15 14:12:12 2005 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:12:10 -0500 From: Robert Blayzor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Mike Sawicki [EMAIL PROTECTED], nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Delegating /24's from a /19 [EMAIL

Re: Delegating /24's from a /19

2005-03-15 Thread Bruce Campbell
On Tue, 15 Mar 2005, Robert Blayzor wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Either by doing DNS delegation on the zone boundary or by SWIP'ing the space to the other company. You can SWIP it yes, but that won't help DNS on small blocks like /24's. Huh? Unless I've missed something really

Re: Delegating /24's from a /19

2005-03-15 Thread Owen DeLong
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Either by doing DNS delegation on the zone boundary or by SWIP'ing the space to the other company. You can SWIP it yes, but that won't help DNS on small blocks like /24's. SWIPping the large block won't help. SWIPping the /24s will. OK, what am I missing? *ASSUMPTION*:

Re: Delegating /24's from a /19

2005-03-15 Thread Mark Andrews
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write: --==D714B409A8D84E671065== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Either by doing DNS delegation on the zone boundary or

Re: Delegating /24's from a /19

2005-03-15 Thread Robert Bonomi
From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Mar 15 18:51:46 2005 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:51:33 +1100 (EST) From: Mark Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Delegating /24's from a /19 Cc: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write: --==D714B409A8D84E671065

Re: Delegating /24's from a /19

2005-03-15 Thread Owen DeLong
...snip... Um, why? Firstly he does NOT have authority for the /16 reverse. Lots of latent problems there. Nor is he claiming it. Nowhere on the internet is there anything saying that the entire /16 should be looked up against his nameserver. No reference should exist pointing to

Re: Delegating /24's from a /19

2005-03-15 Thread Mark Andrews
Um, why? Firstly he does NOT have authority for the /16 reverse. Lots of latent problems there. Nor is he claiming it. Nowhere on the internet is there anything saying that the entire /16 should be looked up against his nameserver. No=20 reference should exist pointing