Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit

2008-02-29 Thread Member Services
As recently suggested, ARIN has made the requested changes to produce a new histogram. It can be found at: http://www.arin.net/statistics/index.html#ipv4org. Note, this is the same link as the old histogram so you may need to refresh your browser's cache. Regards, Leslie Nobile Director,

Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit

2008-02-28 Thread Stephen Sprunk
Thus spake Owen DeLong [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Feb 24, 2008, at 12:45 PM, Stephen Sprunk wrote: The wording of the question and response referred only to ARIN members. That does not include most orgs with _only_ legacy allocations, but it would include orgs with both legacy and non- legacy

RE: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit

2008-02-27 Thread Leslie Nobile
] On Behalf Of Randy Bush Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 4:32 AM To: Roland Perry Cc: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit dear arin hostfolk. could we please have the histogram for the last few years where the Y axis is the amount of allocation and the X axis is the number

Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit

2008-02-27 Thread Randy Bush
ARIN has produced the histogram as requested and posted it to our website. It can be found at http://www.arin.net/statistics/index.html#ipv4org leslie, thank you ever so much. but the way it depects the date kinda obscures my point. my apologies for being a pita, but could the y axis

Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit

2008-02-24 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 23 feb 2008, at 4:02, Tom Vest wrote: Which one of the published fields is the key field that enables you to identify the common recipient(s) of successive delegations over time? There is no such field. I didn't think so. So there is no accurate way to get anything like a sum of

Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit

2008-02-24 Thread Roland Perry
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Iljitsch van Beijnum [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I'm not sure why exactly you want to know how much space goes to how many organizations Several days ago, it seemed to me that Stephen Sprunk suggested that it would only take a change of policy of a handful of

Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit

2008-02-24 Thread Stephen Sprunk
Thus spake Tom Vest [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Feb 23, 2008, at 1:54 PM, Stephen Sprunk wrote: Rechecking my own post to PPML, 73 Xtra Large orgs held 79.28% of ARIN's address space as of May 07; my apology for a faulty memory, but it's not off by enough to invalidate the point. The statistics

Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit

2008-02-24 Thread Owen DeLong
On Feb 24, 2008, at 12:45 PM, Stephen Sprunk wrote: Thus spake Tom Vest [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Feb 23, 2008, at 1:54 PM, Stephen Sprunk wrote: Rechecking my own post to PPML, 73 Xtra Large orgs held 79.28% of ARIN's address space as of May 07; my apology for a faulty memory, but it's

Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit

2008-02-23 Thread Tom Vest
On Feb 23, 2008, at 1:54 PM, Stephen Sprunk wrote: Thus spake Tom Vest [EMAIL PROTECTED] I agree, to a point. My prediction is that when the handful of mega-ISPs are unable to get the massive quantities of IPv4 addresses they need (a few dozen account for 90% of all consumption in the

Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit

2008-02-23 Thread Geoff Huston
Stephen Sprunk wrote: Thus spake Tom Vest [EMAIL PROTECTED] I agree, to a point. My prediction is that when the handful of mega-ISPs are unable to get the massive quantities of IPv4 addresses they need (a few dozen account for 90% of all consumption in the ARIN region)... I keep reading

Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit

2008-02-22 Thread Roland Perry
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tom Vest [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes My prediction is that when the handful of mega-ISPs are unable to get the massive quantities of IPv4 addresses they need (a few dozen account for 90% of all consumption in the ARIN region)... I keep reading assertions

Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit

2008-02-22 Thread Randy Bush
dear arin hostfolk. could we please have the histogram for the last few years where the Y axis is the amount of allocation and the X axis is the number of organizations with that total size of new allocations during the period? you'll have to bucket alloc size in some useful way, probably

RE: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit

2008-02-22 Thread michael.dillon
Operational comment: Look on the bright side, they may follow Comcast's example and deploy ipv6 instead! Or they may not, and their share price will suffer as a result. People making the technical decision to stick with IPv4 for their large network are also making a decision to limit the

Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit

2008-02-22 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 22 feb 2008, at 0:55, Tom Vest wrote: I agree, to a point. My prediction is that when the handful of mega-ISPs are unable to get the massive quantities of IPv4 addresses they need (a few dozen account for 90% of all consumption in the ARIN region)... I keep reading assertions like

Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit

2008-02-22 Thread Tom Vest
On Feb 22, 2008, at 7:54 PM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: On 22 feb 2008, at 0:55, Tom Vest wrote: I agree, to a point. My prediction is that when the handful of mega-ISPs are unable to get the massive quantities of IPv4 addresses they need (a few dozen account for 90% of all

Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit

2008-02-22 Thread Tony Finch
On Fri, 22 Feb 2008, Roland Perry wrote: I would not be surprised to learn that consumption in the ARIN region includes all the legacy assignments. Many legacy assignments are now administered by the other RIRs http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space Tony. -- f.a.n.finch [EMAIL

Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit

2008-02-22 Thread Roland Perry
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tony Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I would not be surprised to learn that consumption in the ARIN region includes all the legacy assignments. Many legacy assignments are now administered by the other RIRs http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space I

Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit

2008-02-22 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 22 feb 2008, at 16:41, Tom Vest wrote: You can download files with all the delegation info from ftp.arin.net. You mean the stats files, which provide delegation date, type, starting number, length, etc.? Yes. Which one of the published fields is the key field that enables you to

Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit

2008-02-22 Thread Tom Vest
Hi Iljitsch, Thanks for your response. On Feb 23, 2008, at 1:38 AM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: On 22 feb 2008, at 16:41, Tom Vest wrote: You can download files with all the delegation info from ftp.arin.net. You mean the stats files, which provide delegation date, type, starting

Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit

2008-02-22 Thread Stephen Sprunk
Thus spake Tom Vest [EMAIL PROTECTED] I agree, to a point. My prediction is that when the handful of mega-ISPs are unable to get the massive quantities of IPv4 addresses they need (a few dozen account for 90% of all consumption in the ARIN region)... I keep reading assertions like this. Is

Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit

2008-02-21 Thread Stephen Sprunk
Thus spake Adrian Chadd [EMAIL PROTECTED] As I ranted on #nanog last night; the v6 transition will happen when it costs more to buy / maintain a v4 infrastructure (IP trading, quadruple NAT, support overheads, v6 tunnel brokers, etc) then it is to migrate infrastructure to v6. If people were

Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit

2008-02-21 Thread Tom Vest
(apologies in advance for extending this thread here rather than on ppml -- will gladly take responses off-list, or move it over if responders would prefer to continue the discussion there) On Feb 22, 2008, at 6:22 AM, Stephen Sprunk wrote: Thus spake Adrian Chadd [EMAIL PROTECTED] As I

Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit

2008-02-20 Thread bmanning
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 07:42:51AM +, Paul Ferguson wrote: I never thought I'd be doing this but: Can we please move this thread elsewhere? - - ferg there is a list already established for just such purposes: List-Id: ARIN Discussion Mailing List

Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit

2008-02-20 Thread David Conrad
You must be a member of ARIN to be on [EMAIL PROTECTED] The proper place for the discussion to go is likely the ARIN Public Policy Mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Regards, -drc On Feb 20, 2008, at 1:41 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 07:42:51AM +, Paul Ferguson

RE: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit

2008-02-19 Thread Paul Ferguson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 1. Where is the current demand for IPv4 coming from? Plenty of analysis here. I never thought I'd be doing this but: Can we please move this thread elsewhere? - - ferg -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Desktop 9.6.3 (Build 3017)

Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit

2008-02-18 Thread Tom Vest
It's good that this discussion is happening now. To make the discussion as productive as possible, it's probably a good idea to clarify assumptions and terms. We all know what market means -- but in all likelihood many of the things we all know do not overlap, and some are probably mutually

Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit

2008-02-18 Thread Tom Vest
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Brandon Galbraith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit It's good that this discussion is happening now. To make the discussion as productive as possible, it's probably a good idea to clarify assumptions and terms. We all know what market means