Re: ISPs are asked to block yet another port

2003-06-24 Thread Paul Vixie
Security is a lifestyle. People laugh when I say this, do they laugh when you say it? you have to turn it around, insecurity is a lifestyle, before people will skip the polite (because they think you're joking and it isn't funny) or nervous (because they think you're paranoid) laughter.

Re: [RE: ISPs are asked to block yet another port]

2003-06-24 Thread Joshua Sahala
Christopher L. Morrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, gml wrote: Security is a lifestyle. People laugh when I say this, do they laugh when you say it? usually they remember a very important event that must be attended to, and assure me that they do believe in

Re: ISPs are asked to block yet another port

2003-06-24 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, Paul Vixie wrote: Security is a lifestyle. People laugh when I say this, do they laugh when you say it? you have to turn it around, insecurity is a lifestyle, before people will skip the polite (because they think you're joking and it isn't funny) or nervous

ISPs are asked to block yet another port

2003-06-23 Thread Sean Donelan
http://www.lurhq.com/popup_spam.html LURHQ Corporation has observed traffic to large blocks of IP addresses on udp port 1026. This traffic started around June 18, 2003 and has been constant since that time. LURHQ analysts have determined that the source of the traffic is spammers who have

Re: ISPs are asked to block yet another port

2003-06-23 Thread Tony Rall
On Monday, 2003-06-23 at 01:59 AST, Sean Donelan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.lurhq.com/popup_spam.html LURHQ Corporation has observed traffic to large blocks of IP addresses on udp port 1026. This traffic started around June 18, 2003 and has been constant since that time. LURHQ

Re: ISPs are asked to block yet another port

2003-06-23 Thread Jeff Kell
The description by LURHQ is misleading. Messenger is an RPC service. Typical pop-up spammers queried 135 (Windows RPC portmapper) to find the port number of the messenger service, then send the message to that port. It turns out that messenger can typically be found on 1026. And as was noted

Re: ISPs are asked to block yet another port

2003-06-23 Thread Edward Lewis
At 2:58 -0400 6/23/03, Jeff Kell wrote: And as was noted earlier, unconditionally blocking udp/1026 will cause a lot of collateral damage when udp/1026 outbound is used as an ephemeral port for a legitimate UDP-based service (DNS, NTP, etc). Jeff It's been a long time since I did any substantial

Re: ISPs are asked to block yet another port

2003-06-23 Thread Peter E. Fry
Sean Donelan wrote: http://www.lurhq.com/popup_spam.html LURHQ Corporation has observed traffic to large blocks of IP addresses on udp port 1026. [...] I haven't (yet) seen any scans of port 1026, but looking at my (home) logs I have seen several with a fixed source port of 1026

Re: ISPs are asked to block yet another port

2003-06-23 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Sean Donelan wrote: http://www.lurhq.com/popup_spam.html How many ports should ISPs block? People still buy and connect insecure computers to the net. ISP's could block all ports and save everyone the hassle of having an Internet (I am just kidding of course)

Re: ISPs are asked to block yet another port

2003-06-23 Thread Jared Mauch
On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 03:59:56PM +, Christopher L. Morrow wrote: On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Sean Donelan wrote: http://www.lurhq.com/popup_spam.html How many ports should ISPs block? People still buy and connect insecure computers to the net. ISP's could block all ports and save

Re: ISPs are asked to block yet another port

2003-06-23 Thread Paul Vixie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher L. Morrow) writes: ISP's could block all ports and save everyone the hassle of having an Internet (I am just kidding of course) Two interesting points though: 1) Spammers adapt 2) default insecure OS installs cause problems 3) thoughtless reactionism

Re: ISPs are asked to block yet another port

2003-06-23 Thread jlewis
On 23 Jun 2003, Paul Vixie wrote: 3) thoughtless reactionism at isp's does little good and sometimes some harm. take for example port-25 blocking. i've been getting relayprobed all weekend by someone who gets around outbound att's tcp/25 SYN blocking by sending their SYN's through a

Re: ISPs are asked to block yet another port

2003-06-23 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Paul Vixie wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher L. Morrow) writes: ISP's could block all ports and save everyone the hassle of having an Internet (I am just kidding of course) Two interesting points though: 1) Spammers adapt 2) default insecure OS

Re: ISPs are asked to block yet another port

2003-06-23 Thread Jack Bates
Christopher L. Morrow wrote: This is what our, atleast, abuse team calls 'fantasy mail'. There is a fix for it, port 25 in and out filtering for radius customers. The 'problem' as I understand it, is that the change would be a contract change so it has to wait for expiration of said contract to

Re: ISPs are asked to block yet another port

2003-06-23 Thread Paul Vixie
Its a sucky world sometimes. Perhaps Paul complained to ATT/other-unnamed-provider with logs and such? :) oh yes. i tried *several* ways to get their attention. however, this kind of activity is so common these days that a noc literally has no choice but to focus their efforts on less common

Re: ISPs are asked to block yet another port

2003-06-23 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Paul Vixie wrote: Its a sucky world sometimes. Perhaps Paul complained to ATT/other-unnamed-provider with logs and such? :) oh yes. i tried *several* ways to get their attention. however, this kind of activity is so common these days that a noc literally has no

Re: ISPs are asked to block yet another port

2003-06-23 Thread Niels Bakker
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher L. Morrow) [Mon 23 Jun 2003, 18:01 CEST]: [..] Two interesting points though: 1) Spammers adapt 2) default insecure OS installs cause problems Employees of XS4ALL, a Dutch ISP, today held several talks about a variety of subjects for its customers to

Re: ISPs are asked to block yet another port

2003-06-23 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, Niels Bakker wrote: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher L. Morrow) [Mon 23 Jun 2003, 18:01 CEST]: [..] Two interesting points though: 1) Spammers adapt 2) default insecure OS installs cause problems Employees of XS4ALL, a Dutch ISP, today held several talks about

RE: ISPs are asked to block yet another port

2003-06-23 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ISPs are asked to block yet another port On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, Niels Bakker wrote: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher L. Morrow) [Mon 23 Jun 2003, 18:01 CEST]: [..] Two interesting points though: 1) Spammers adapt 2) default insecure OS