http://www.wired.com/news/digiwood/0,1412,60613,00.html
When students first register on the network, they are required to read about
peer-to-peer networks and certify that they will not
share copyright files. Icarus then scans their computer, detects any worms, viruses or
programs that act as
At 3:26 PM -1000 10/9/03, Michael Painter wrote:
http://www.wired.com/news/digiwood/0,1412,60613,00.html
When students first register on the network, they are required to
read about peer-to-peer networks and certify that they will not
share copyright files. Icarus then scans their computer,
Sean Donelan wrote:
The difference being campus machines are null routed rather than
disconnected, and they are not reconnected until checked and clean.
And once again, the question: how do you know the machines have been
checked and cleaned before they are reconnected? Do you take the
At 8:15 PM -0400 10/6/03, Jeffrey S. Young wrote:
It's a difficult thing for all of us when j.random users start to discover
things like personal firewall. I had one threaten me personally with
'investigation' by the FBI because my system was attempting to break
into his PC He sent it to my
On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
Kee Hinckley [05/10/03 00:57 -0400]:
Bringing this back to the more relevant topic. Is there something
that ISPs could do to notify users and get in their face more without
shutting off their connection? Perhaps a custom piece of
I have
Sean Donelan [05/10/03 16:49 -0400]:
There are some differences between private networks and public networks.
In a company, the company is the owner of the PCs and employees (in the
Very true - and that was the context I mentioned this in.
So from an ISPs point of view, is there a way for
On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
So from an ISPs point of view, is there a way for the ISP to quickly
tell the customer if the particular computer is fixed without unduly
Isolate his IP and have all outbound http redirected to a page that
says please call [escalated tech
Sean Donelan [05/10/03 17:44 -0400]:
What happens a few hours later when you start getting complaints again
about the same customer? Do you turn the connection off again. And
Sure, turn it off again. And again.
Sooner or later, it will dawn on the customer that no, his system is not
fixed.
Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
Sean Donelan [05/10/03 17:44 -0400]:
What happens a few hours later when you start getting complaints again
about the same customer? Do you turn the connection off again. And
Sure, turn it off again. And again.
Sooner or later, it will dawn on the
Matthew Sullivan [06/10/03 11:38 +1000]:
Third time their account is deleted.
I am yet to have one that has reached the third time - 85k users here.
Let me guess - that'd mostly be dialup users, right? Or maybe simply email
users? Not (say) T1 and larger users?
--
srs
On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 02:43:48 -, Suresh Ramasubramanian said:
Matthew Sullivan [06/10/03 11:38 +1000]:
Third time their account is deleted.
I am yet to have one that has reached the third time - 85k users here.
Let me guess - that'd mostly be dialup users, right? Or maybe simply
Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
Matthew Sullivan [06/10/03 11:38 +1000]:
Third time their account is deleted.
I am yet to have one that has reached the third time - 85k users here.
Let me guess - that'd mostly be dialup users, right? Or maybe simply email
users? Not (say) T1 and larger
At 12:57 AM 10/5/2003, you wrote:
At 2:11 AM + 10/5/03, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
For more fun, consider that you are [EMAIL PROTECTED], and get those
It's the anti-virus ones that drive me nuts. Someone in your domain sent
us a virus which always forges the from line, but we're going
On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 00:12:07 EDT, Robert Boyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
What gets me is the moron admins who track down every attack they see.
Attacks such as ICMP echo requests, Port 80 connections, etc. If they get
huge logs that's one thing, but for four pings from a windows box or a
Robert Boyle [10/6/2003 9:42 AM] :
What gets me is the moron admins who track down every attack they see.
Attacks such as ICMP echo requests, Port 80 connections, etc. If they
get huge logs that's one thing, but for four pings from a windows box or
a mistyped IP address in a URL and they are
The difference being campus machines are null routed rather than
disconnected, and they are not reconnected until checked and clean.
And once again, the question: how do you know the machines have been
checked and cleaned before they are reconnected? Do you take the
customers word, or do you
At 8:02 PM -0400 10/3/03, Terry Baranski wrote:
Obviously, this is by no means specific to computer patching. People
are either busy, lazy, apathetic, etc. Most don't pay attention until
I've played the user-notification game myself in fighting hoaxes (do
a search on [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kee Hinckley [04/10/03 13:01 -0400]:
I've played the user-notification game myself in fighting hoaxes (do
a search on [EMAIL PROTECTED] sometime--and consider what
happens when tens of thousands of people add it to their address book
and then forward the latest joke/hoax/virus to everyone
We created a set of RAS filters that we can call up in the user's RADIUS
record - Block ICMP request, Block SMTP outgoing, etc. When the user has a
virus we just set the filter. They can still get on without doing any
damage, yet still download fixes, etc. They might call if they need to
At 2:11 AM + 10/5/03, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
For more fun, consider that you are [EMAIL PROTECTED], and get those
It's the anti-virus ones that drive me nuts. Someone in your domain
sent us a virus which always forges the from line, but we're going to
tell you anyway because we'd
Short of turning off their network access, why won't users fix
their computers when the computer is infected or needs a patch?
The University of Massachusetts posted bulletins, sent an email to
all incoming students, included an alert when they connected.
Nevertheless, almost three months after
On 03.10 04:12, Sean Donelan wrote:
Short of turning off their network access, why won't users fix
their computers when the computer is infected or needs a patch?
Hey, it's working! If it ain't broken
Related question for network engineers: When did you have your last
medical
On 03.10 10:36, Erik-Jan Bos wrote:
Hey, it's working! If it ain't broken
I doubt this. Recently, I worked with a couple of people that each had
their PCs infected. Their own virtual neighborhood complained to them,
and they surely were embaressed about the situation, but... They
On Fri, 3 Oct 2003, Erik-Jan Bos wrote:
I doubt this. Recently, I worked with a couple of people that each had
their PCs infected. Their own virtual neighborhood complained to them,
and they surely were embaressed about the situation, but... They just
did not know how to fix it, i.e. where to
Sean Donelan wrote:
On Fri, 3 Oct 2003, Erik-Jan Bos wrote:
I doubt this. Recently, I worked with a couple of people that each had
their PCs infected. Their own virtual neighborhood complained to them,
and they surely were embaressed about the situation, but... They just
did not know how to fix
On 03.10 10:59, Erik-Jan Bos wrote:
Perhaps an auto club for PC-users: You call and within the next 24 or
48 hours, depending on your subscription, an expert would dial in or
come by to get you on the virtual road again.
If this was a viable business proposition, it would exist. My
Sean,
Ok, not everyone is a computer expert. If their TV, VCR or car started
belching smoke and flames, and they didn't know how to fix it, what would
they do? Take it to a repair shop? If you get a flat tire, pull off to
the side of the road and either repair the tire or call the auto
Speaking on Deep Background, the Press Secretary whispered:
Short of turning off their network access, why won't users fix
their computers when the computer is infected or needs a patch?
Hey, it's working! If it ain't broken
And when you DO patch it, then it REALLY breaks.
John Renwick wrote:
You've put your finger on it. ISPs have to help users understand that their
machines are broken in a way that makes them unable to gain access to the
Internet -- then most will take them to the shop PDQ, and hopefully get them
back with some protection installed.
While
Daniel Karrenberg wrote:
There is that too; but I have frequently observed people not doing it
even when provided detailed step-by-step instructions. On the
other hand
they would proceed relatively quickly once it stopped working,
e.g. the Internet plug was pulled. Some of them would use
Terry Baranski wrote:
Obviously, this is by no means specific to computer patching. People
are either busy, lazy, apathetic, etc. Most don't pay attention until
they're forced to; i.e., when their system stops working because a virus
broke it or because their network access is shut off.
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