Curtis Maurand([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2002.08.14 11:33:02 +:
> Wasn't that what OpenDoc was supposed to be about?
``you can get some coders out of a trailerpark, but you can't get the
trailerpark of some coders...''
eg. it's a community communication thing.
regards,
/k
--
> Black holes are
Karsten W. Rohrbach said:
>
> opensource projects need to converge efforts in designing new data
> formats, file formats being just a serialized representation of data in
> mem. being fully portable between several (OSS) applications will bring
> the giant to its knees. of course, all of you know
on 8/12/2002 3:44 PM Brad Knowles wrote:
> Do you really think that they will ever again lift a hand against
> Microsoft? They only participated in the anti-trust action brought
> by the Clinton white house because they had no choice
Yeah! The FTC actions res passport are just to thro
On Mon, 12 Aug 2002, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
> Thus spake "Alif The Terrible" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > On Sun, 11 Aug 2002, gg wrote:
> > >
> > > Guess my home P.C. will no longer be an intel platform..hello mighty
> SPARC
> >
> > I guess you didn't actually read this, did you? It makes no di
Well, I contend open source is much better positioned to make these
changes, and in less time than M$ to the offending file formatI've seen
changes made available in hours as opposed to weeks in the M$ case. If M$
decides to do this, they risk pi$$ing off a whole cadre of corporate
custom
Brad Knowles([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2002.08.12 22:47:31 +:
> At 9:41 AM -0400 2002/08/12, William Warren wrote:
>
> > StarOffice to the rescue.
>
> Only until they change the file format again. Microsoft can
> afford to change the file format on an even daily basis, and come out
> with
vulnerabilities served.
Gerardo
- Original Message -
From: "Brad Knowles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "blitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Vadim Antonov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 3:44 PM
Subject: R
At 9:41 AM -0400 2002/08/12, William Warren wrote:
> StarOffice to the rescue.
Only until they change the file format again. Microsoft can
afford to change the file format on an even daily basis, and come out
with patches for the previous patches, and call them all "security
patche
At 11:47 PM -0400 2002/08/11, blitz wrote:
> I just hope the anti-trust people are looking into thisi can't
> see a bigger case for them to spring into action...
Bush just hired the former Microsoft head of security to be his
"go-to" man for creating an infrastructure to protect
> How about <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>?
> Wasn't this set up for this very purpose?
Nobody goes there any more, it's too crowded.
--
Paul Vixie
On Mon 12 Aug 2002 (12:23 -0400), William Warren wrote:
[snip microsoft droppings]
As if to rub in the point, a huge quoting of previous messages, top
posted, in html with lines a few hundred characters wide in the .sig
Either a brilliant troll or a very sad commentary. I know where my bet
woul
> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 12:23:05 -0400
> From: William Warren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> a little bit of humor never hurt anything..not even nanog will be
> destroyed..
How about <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>?
Wasn't this set up for this very purpose?
> Sam Hayes Merritt, III wrote:
> > does this bel
at Monday, August 12, 2002 2:41 PM, William Warren
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was seen to say:
> StarOffice to the rescue.
Requires interoperability to be possible - if M$oft protects their file
formats legally (via the DMCA) or technically (via Palladium only
allowing "trusted" MS apps to access the do
a little bit of humor never hurt anything..not even nanog will be destroyed..
Sam Hayes Merritt, III wrote:
does this belong on nanog?
On Mon, 12 Aug 2002, William Warren wrote:
Microsoft has shown itself time and time again it thinks it can get away
with something like that an
Bill Gates UTOPIA..NOT!
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Stephen Sprunk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Alif The Terrible" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "gg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "blitz&q
From: "Stephen Sprunk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Alif The Terrible" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "gg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "blitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: Microslosh
Thus spake "Alif The Terrible" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On Sun, 11 Aug 2002, gg wrote:
> >
> > Guess my home P.C. will no longer be an intel platform..hello mighty
SPARC
>
> I guess you didn't actually read this, did you? It makes no difference what
> you use at home, if that machine can't talk
StarOffice to the rescue.
David Howe wrote:
>at Monday, August 12, 2002 2:17 AM, David Schwartz
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was seen to say:
>
>
>>Microsoft can have whatever vision of the future they want and can
>>use any resources at their disposal to bring their vision to light.
>>Everybody has
Microsoft has shown itself time and time again it thinks it can get away
with something like that and going by Microsoft's past behaviorsdo
not be surprised to see Microsoft try this exact scheme later on down
the road...as it builds support with many other monopolistic
parties(mainly the
at Monday, August 12, 2002 2:17 AM, David Schwartz
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was seen to say:
> Microsoft can have whatever vision of the future they want and can
> use any resources at their disposal to bring their vision to light.
> Everybody has that right.
Nope, monopolies don't - the rules for a m
I just hope the anti-trust people are looking into thisi can't see a
bigger case for them to spring into action...
At 18:43 8/11/02 -0700, you wrote:
>Microsoft already duped the software consumers into buying into fully
>proprietary software. Given the prevalent time horizon of average
I agree wholeheartedly, "let 'em starve"
At 18:17 8/11/02 -0700, you wrote:
> Microsoft can have whatever vision of the future they want and
> can use any
>resources at their disposal to bring their vision to light. Everybody has
>that right. If I don't like it, I won't buy it. If
Well, I may be a wet blanket to the chip houses, but how much speed DO
you actually need? Any REAL reason to abandon the present working
architecture? I don't personally think so, a 2 gig box is plenty fast for
anything we have now, so why don't we just vote with our feet? DON'T buy
this crap, the
We have given up on M$ when they started invading our hard drives with
XP...no reason to think their plans are anything less than nefarious,
judging from their past behavior.
At 16:10 8/11/02 -0700, you wrote:
>While I find much to worry about in Palladium, the vast majority of
>the informat
On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 18:43:17 -0700 (PDT), Vadim Antonov wrote:
>Microsoft already duped the software consumers into buying into fully
>proprietary software.
I don't think duped is really a fair description. They simply provide a
large number of users with what they want. There isn't cu
Microsoft already duped the software consumers into buying into fully
proprietary software. Given the prevalent time horizon of average IT
manager's thinking I fully expect Microsoft to get that stuff deployed
before the poor saps start realizing they're being ripped. After that
Microsoft wil
Microsoft can have whatever vision of the future they want and can use any
resources at their disposal to bring their vision to light. Everybody has
that right. If I don't like it, I won't buy it. If they convince customers
that they gain more than they lose, only a gun will make them bu
> Gerardo Gregory
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: blitz
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 5:50 PM
> Subject: Microslosh vision of the future
>
>
>
>
>
>
> So read about Palladianism, and tell me the
Guess my home P.C. will no longer be an intel
platform..hello mighty SPARC
Gerardo Gregory
- Original Message -
From:
blitz
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 5:50
PM
Subject: Microslosh vision of the
future
So
read
While I find much to worry about in Palladium, the vast majority of
the information in this post is simply not correct. Even Microsoft is
not delusional enough to think that they could get away with such a
coup. (Not that they would not want to.)
Before going ballistic, read up on Palladium and
So read about Palladianism, and tell me the
different between Palladium and Server 2000
Windows Palladium, the end of privacy as
we know it.
This taken from various sources
encluding UHA and deviantart, the register and slashdot., Disturbing
news..
Earlier this week, Microsoft outlin
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