Re: Phishing (Was Re: WashingtonPost computer security stories)

2004-08-18 Thread Alexei Roudnev
I disagree - this is a good idea, and it REALLY DO WORKS (have been tested on hackers, with great success). Moreover, it is not a problem to catch this fishers/phishers... issue 1,000 special credit cards, send their data to this site, and trace who and how will use them. Or just intersect

Re: Phishing (Was Re: WashingtonPost computer security stories)

2004-08-18 Thread Brett
I received a few messages as well, one with US Bank, which I don't have an account with, and they both had images attached. The image was displayed, without any external connection. As far as fighting abuse with abuse, it's not *always* a bad idea. If the databases are filled with bad entries,

Re: Phishing (Was Re: WashingtonPost computer security stories)

2004-08-17 Thread Sean Donelan
I'm thinking that Citibank will cease to be a target if they give (ok, it's a bank - sell) their subscribers a hardware token that requires presence of the ATM card when the customer wants to use online banking facilities... as several banks here in the Netherlands do. This is a social

Re: Phishing (Was Re: WashingtonPost computer security stories)

2004-08-17 Thread Petri Helenius
Alexei Roudnev wrote: Why don't write out a generator of credit cards / pins and flood out this site by false information? (I saw a few better examples, btw). Because fighting abuse with abuse is never a good idea? Pete

Re: Phishing (Was Re: WashingtonPost computer security stories)

2004-08-17 Thread David Lesher
I wonder if the banks have ever considered how they have contributed to the problem. If their pages were straight up, no pop-up's, no JavaVirus, etc it would be far easier to tell their customers: == Here is what our page

Re: Phishing (Was Re: WashingtonPost computer security stories)

2004-08-17 Thread Eric Kuhnke
The mail originated from 68.77.56.130 (an ameritech.net DSL connection, right now not pingable) and loads some images from www.citibank.com. It links to http://61.128.198.51/Confirm/ - an IP address hosted by Chinanet (transit to there supplied by Savvis from my point of view). It's a 1 line rule

Re: Phishing (Was Re: WashingtonPost computer security stories)

2004-08-17 Thread Tim Wilde
On Tue, 17 Aug 2004, Eric Kuhnke wrote: It's a 1 line rule with mod_rewrite and apache to block nonexistant or off-site http referers attempting to display GIF/JPG/PNG images... Sometimes I wonder why Citibank, Paypal and others don't do this. It would cut down on the displayed

Re: Phishing (Was Re: WashingtonPost computer security stories)

2004-08-17 Thread Michael . Dillon
I wonder if the banks have ever considered how they have contributed to the problem. If their pages were straight up, no pop-up's, no JavaVirus, etc it would be far easier to tell their customers: == Here is what our page

Re: Phishing (Was Re: WashingtonPost computer security stories)

2004-08-17 Thread Richard Cox
On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 08:05:41 -0400 (EDT) David Lesher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I wonder if the banks have ever considered how they have contributed | to the problem. If their pages were straight up, no pop-up's, no | JavaVirus, etc it would be far easier to tell their customers: | |

Re: Phishing (Was Re: WashingtonPost computer security stories)

2004-08-17 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barclays also uses a memorable word in addition to the PIN code. They repeatedly tell us that no-one from Barclays will ever ask us to reveal this memorable word. It's only use is for a simple challenge-response where the website asks for two specific

Re: Phishing (Was Re: WashingtonPost computer security stories)

2004-08-17 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Tue, 17 Aug 2004, Eric Kuhnke wrote: The mail originated from 68.77.56.130 (an ameritech.net DSL connection, right now not pingable) and loads some images from www.citibank.com. It links to http://61.128.198.51/Confirm/ - an IP address hosted by Chinanet (transit to there supplied by

Re: Phishing (Was Re: WashingtonPost computer security stories)

2004-08-17 Thread Edward B. Dreger
TW Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 09:06:30 -0400 (EDT) TW From: Tim Wilde TW Because many (broken) browsers/proxies/firewalls/etc block TW or forge referrer headers for security and they'd quadruple TW their tech support load with all their idiot customers using TW Norton Internet Security or other

Re: Phishing (Was Re: WashingtonPost computer security stories)

2004-08-17 Thread Petri Helenius
Edward B. Dreger wrote: Ughh. Some security products cause more trouble than they solve. Norton Internet Security is obnoxious enough to filter ads by nuking graphics based on pixel dimensions. (After having to alter some sites to get around this, we have a much harder time recommending

Phishing (Was Re: WashingtonPost computer security stories)

2004-08-16 Thread Niels Bakker
Speaking of computers fubar'ed by spyware, I just found a particularly nice example of a phishing attempt. SpamAssassin had tagged it with the astronomical score of 136.3 thanks to SARE. The mail originated from 68.77.56.130 (an ameritech.net DSL connection, right now not pingable) and loads

Re: Phishing (Was Re: WashingtonPost computer security stories)

2004-08-16 Thread Henry Linneweh
How strange, I received that in my email too.. -Henry --- Niels Bakker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of computers fubar'ed by spyware, I just found a particularly nice example of a phishing attempt. SpamAssassin had tagged it with the astronomical score of 136.3 thanks to SARE.

Re: Phishing (Was Re: WashingtonPost computer security stories)

2004-08-16 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Niels Bakker wrote: It's disheartening to see that this website is still online after several days (I received the scam mail received Friday morning). out of curiosity, you did send in a complaint to CitiBank's proper alias for spoofing/phishing/blah, and a followup to

Re: Phishing (Was Re: WashingtonPost computer security stories)

2004-08-16 Thread Mark Kasten
Christopher L. Morrow wrote: On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Niels Bakker wrote: It's disheartening to see that this website is still online after several days (I received the scam mail received Friday morning). out of curiosity, you did send in a complaint to CitiBank's proper alias for

Re: Phishing (Was Re: WashingtonPost computer security stories)

2004-08-16 Thread Alexei Roudnev
: WashingtonPost computer security stories) Speaking of computers fubar'ed by spyware, I just found a particularly nice example of a phishing attempt. SpamAssassin had tagged it with the astronomical score of 136.3 thanks to SARE. The mail originated from 68.77.56.130 (an ameritech.net DSL