Barry Greene (bgreene) wrote:
[..list of good things..]
> So what would be helpful are people who say "I've done everything (or
> some of the things) off the Bogon Team page and think there is a better
> way." The core problem right now are that too many organizations are
> doing nothing to mainta
doing nothing to maintain policy once that policy choice has been
selected.
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of David Conrad
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 4:50 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: nanog@mer
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: David Conrad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> One wonders whether it might not be more effective in the
> long run to sue ICANN/IANA rather than suing completewhois.com.
Sigh. What is the IOS command to disable lawyers again?
On Dec 14, 2006, at 4:50 PM, David Conrad wrote:
IANA has a project along these lines at the earliest stage of
development (that is, we're trying to figure out if this is a good
idea and if so, the best way to implement it). I'd be interested
in hearing opinions (either publicly or priva
Hi,
or LDAP could be used ...
I was wondering when this would show up... :-)
If IANA and the RIRs would step up to the plate and
provide an authoritative data source identifying which
address ranges have been issued for use on the Internet
then bogon lists would not be needed at all.
... IA
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One wonders whether it might not be more effective in the
long run to sue ICANN/IANA rather than suing completewhois.com.
Of course, it could be that I used the wrong term. IANAL after all. Perhaps the
right term was injunction? Does that qualify as a lawsuit? Unfor
On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's not just incorrect data. The design of the
system used by completewhois is flawed at the core.
No more so that other systems that rely on automation
with some human involvement but see below as I generally
agree with what you meant.
They on
> B) Threaten the bogon list operator with a lawsuit for falsely claiming
your
> addresses are bogons and hope they take the simplest path and fix their
> list.
>
> This is a pretty classic case of someone inducing other people to rely
on
> the accuracy of their data and then offering incorrect
> So we're saying that a lawsuit is an intelligent method to force someone
> else to correct something that you are simply using to avoid the
> irritation
> of manually updating things yourself???
>
> That seems to be the epitomy of laziness vs. litigousness.
>
> Scott
No, but a lawsuit may be a
Florian Lohoff wrote:
> Hi *,
> in august IANA handed 77/8 78/8 79/8 to RIPE which started handing out
> those ranges 2 months ago.
>
> We (Telefonica Deutschland AS6805) are seeing a lot of reachability problems
> most likely caused by not updated bogon filters.
>
> For testing purposes 77.181.
On Tue, 12 Dec 2006, Chris L. Morrow wrote:
On Mon, 11 Dec 2006, william(at)elan.net wrote:
Completewhois email server is down right now and needs to be rebuilt.
what no backup MX? now postmaster/abuse/root working emails at that
domain? did you put the domain also on 'rfc ignorant'?
Mai
On Mon, 11 Dec 2006, william(at)elan.net wrote:
> Completewhois email server is down right now and needs to be rebuilt.
what no backup MX? now postmaster/abuse/root working emails at that
domain? did you put the domain also on 'rfc ignorant'?
On Mon, 11 Dec 2006, Allan Houston wrote:
Florian Lohoff wrote:
Hi *,
in august IANA handed 77/8 78/8 79/8 to RIPE which started handing out
those ranges 2 months ago.
We (Telefonica Deutschland AS6805) are seeing a lot of reachability
problems
most likely caused by not updated bogon filte
On Mon, 11 Dec 2006, Robert E. Seastrom wrote:
no, he's saying that a lawsuit is a useful method of forcing someone
who is intentionally or negligently distributing incorrect information
that other people who do not know any better then believe and use in
their own networks.
i betcha libel law
* Jared Mauch:
> My recommendation is to write a letter (in german) and fax it
> over to their fax# with the urls clearly written out (eg: iana vs
> their url) showing the problem with the address space. it'll likely
> sufficently confuse someone that they'll be curious and research it
> a
Stephen Satchell wrote:
>
> Jared Mauch wrote:
>> linking to stuff like the bogon-announce list too wouldn't
>> be a bad idea either :)
>
>
> Bogon announce list?
Read here: http://www.cymru.com/
And you will find:
http://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/bogon-announce
Btw it is the first
Jared Mauch wrote:
linking to stuff like the bogon-announce list too wouldn't
be a bad idea either :)
Bogon announce list?
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> > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 9:55 AM
> > To: Jack Bates
> > Cc: nanog@merit.edu
> > Subject: Re: Bogon Filter - Please check for 77/8 78/8 79/8
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 11 Dec 2006, Jack Bates wrote:
&g
Scott Morris wrote:
So we're saying that a lawsuit is an intelligent method to force someone
else to correct something that you are simply using to avoid the irritation
of manually updating things yourself???
That seems to be the epitomy of laziness vs. litigousness.
Scott
I would doubt t
So we're saying that a lawsuit is an intelligent method to force someone
else to correct something that you are simply using to avoid the irritation
of manually updating things yourself???
That seems to be the epitomy of laziness vs. litigousness.
I think the point is that people are trusting t
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Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 9:55 AM
To: Jack Bates
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: Bogon Filter - Please check for 77/8 78/8 79/8
On Mon, 11 Dec 2006, Jack Bates wrote:
Allan Houston wrote:
This probably isn't h
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> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 9:55 AM
> To: Jack Bates
> Cc: nanog@merit.edu
> Subject: Re: Bogon Filter - Please check for 77/8 78/8 79/8
>
>
> On Mon, 11 Dec 2006, Jack Bates wrote:
>
>>
>> Allan Houston wrote:
>>
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Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 9:55 AM
To: Jack Bates
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: Bogon Filter - Please check for 77/8 78/8 79/8
On Mon, 11 Dec 2006, Jack Bates wrote:
>
> Allan Houston wrote:
> > This probably isn't hel
On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 08:40:41AM -0600, Jack Bates wrote:
>
> Allan Houston wrote:
> >This probably isn't helped much by sites like completewhois.com still
> >showing these ranges as bogons..
> >
> >http://www.completewhois.com/bogons/active_bogons.htm
> >
> >They've ignored all my attempts to
On Mon, 11 Dec 2006, Jack Bates wrote:
>
> Allan Houston wrote:
> > This probably isn't helped much by sites like completewhois.com still
> > showing these ranges as bogons..
> >
> > http://www.completewhois.com/bogons/active_bogons.htm
> >
> > They've ignored all my attempts to get them to updat
Allan Houston wrote:
This probably isn't helped much by sites like completewhois.com still
showing these ranges as bogons..
http://www.completewhois.com/bogons/active_bogons.htm
They've ignored all my attempts to get them to update so far.. sigh..
They just need someone using the address s
Florian Lohoff wrote:
Hi *,
in august IANA handed 77/8 78/8 79/8 to RIPE which started handing out
those ranges 2 months ago.
We (Telefonica Deutschland AS6805) are seeing a lot of reachability problems
most likely caused by not updated bogon filters.
For testing purposes 77.181.114.4 aka bogo
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