On Thu, 14 Sep 2006, Lasher, Donn wrote:
approved on the first try. I personally have a 0% success rate, and I
spent a year or two in college
I assume you mean 0% success on first submission of the template. My
experience has usually been that I don't give them quite enough detail on
t
Jack Wrote:
>I'm curious why you converted to RWHOIS. I SWIP'd my entire network to
get my assignments. Many large ISPs still SWIP.
> I didn't have time to mess with RWHOIS.
Control. Auditing.
We got tired of spending countless resources trying to keep track of
what we had, what ARIN thought we
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Alain Hebert wrote:
>
>Hi,
>
>All our experiences consulting our clients about how to get their AS
> and Subnets have been pretty easy and fast.
>
>First get enought IP from 2 Peer to justify at least a /21;
>
>Now that you have
Hi,
All our experiences consulting our clients about how to get their AS
and Subnets have been pretty easy and fast.
First get enought IP from 2 Peer to justify at least a /21;
Now that you have 2 Peer, request the AS and a Subnet from ARIN;
Take a day or 2 to prepare the pap
Lasher, Donn wrote:
YMMV, but my mileage has been just as bad yours, in some cases worse.
Converting from swip's to RWHOIS took 6 months. ARIN is painful. Overly
painful for someone who you pay for the right to USE IP addresses on a
yearly basis
Of course, that's just my personal viewpoi
>Richard A Steenbergen wrote:
>>Try looking at it from an outsider's point of view instead. If you're
>>new to dealing with ARIN, it is not uncommon to find the process is
>>absolutely baffling, frustrating, slow, expensive, and requiring
>>intrusive disclosure just shy of an anal cavity probe
Richard A Steenbergen wrote:
Try looking at it from an outsider's point of view instead. If you're new
to dealing with ARIN, it is not uncommon to find the process is
absolutely baffling, frustrating, slow, expensive, and requiring
intrusive disclosure just shy of an anal cavity probe.
I r
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From: Stephane Bortzmeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 08:46:11PM -0400,
> Joe Abley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
> > to dissect a core dump, or how BGP works, but who at the
> > same time are not interested in reading the ARIN policy
> manual
I've heard the horror stories, and I remember that ARIN was difficult to deal
with 10 years ago, but my recent experiences with them have been relatively
painless. I expected the process to get worse as IPs become more scarce, but I
haven't been seeing that. AFAICT they are more helpful and ea
On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 08:46:11PM -0400,
Joe Abley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
a message of 45 lines which said:
> It's confusing to me that there appears to be no shortage of people
> who are prepared to learn the three hundred ways of doing the same
> thing with perl, or how to dissect a core
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From: Richard A Steenbergen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Ever notice the only folks happy with the status quo are
> the few who have already have an intimate knowledge of
> the ARIN allocation process, and/or have the right
> political connections to resolve the "i
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From: "william(at)elan.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> The fact that there is a lot of space
> assigned/allocated >> and not used in any easily
> observable way is well known >> to those who track the
> address exhaustion issue, I >> think.
> > How much, th
Michael [mumble] spewed:
>
>ARIN does have a way of figuring out that the space
>is no longer in use.
No, they don't.
ARIN has problems around v4 allocation that need to be
fixed for sure.
I fit ras's mold of a person who is part of the machine and
(I'll take a STEAK dinner ras, thank you) I
Richard A Steenbergen wrote:
Ever notice the only folks happy with the status quo are the few who have
already have an intimate knowledge of the ARIN allocation process, and/or
have the right political connections to resolve the "issues" that come up
when dealing with them?
Try looking at it
> Ever notice the only folks happy with the status quo are the few who
have
> already have an intimate knowledge of the ARIN allocation process,
and/or
> have the right political connections to resolve the "issues" that come
up
> when dealing with them?
In this case, the "right political co
> "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs"
could
> be replaced with "From each according to the ARIN fee schedule, to each
> according to our impossible to decipher allocation templates". Marx
would be
> proud! Centrally managed economic systems seem so wonderful on
> The fact that there is a lot of space assigned/allocated and not used
> in any easily observable way is well known to those who track the
> address exhaustion issue, I think.
The fact that addresses are not used in an observable way does
not imply that the addresses are not used at all. It si
> It seems to me that this nicely illustrates a major problem with the
> current system. Here we have large blocks of IP space that, by their
> own rules, ARIN should take back. It all sounds nice on paper, but
> clearly there is a hole in the system whereby ARIN doesn't know and
> apparently ha
On Sep 12, 2006, at 8:46 PM, Joe Abley wrote:
In any kind of free market system, competition would have
bitchslapped the
current ARIN way of doing things a long, long time ago.
I'm not an economist, and this is not a policy list, so I have
nothing to say about that here.
Wrong, on all
Le 2006-09-12 à 19:52, Richard A Steenbergen a écrit :
Ever notice the only folks happy with the status quo are the few
who have
already have an intimate knowledge of the ARIN allocation process,
and/or
have the right political connections to resolve the "issues" that
come up
when dealin
On Tue, 12 Sep 2006, william(at)elan.net wrote:
How much, though, is used, but not routed publically?
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TOTAL FOR IPV4 BLOCKS:
Allocated: 9302367 (/24 blocks) - 63%
Not Allocated: 5377697 (/24 blocks) - 37%
Currently Routed: 6183529 (/24 blocks) - 42%
Not Routed: 84965
On Sep 12, 2006, at 4:52 PM, Richard A Steenbergen wrote:
On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 06:55:11PM -0400, Joe Abley wrote:
I find the references to alleged, inherent difficulties with the ARIN
resource assignment process increasingly tedious. Even if the
templates were "impossible to decipher", th
On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 06:55:11PM -0400, Joe Abley wrote:
>
> I find the references to alleged, inherent difficulties with the ARIN
> resource assignment process increasingly tedious. Even if the
> templates were "impossible to decipher", this isn't the forum to
> discuss them.
>
> In my
On Tue, 12 Sep 2006, Scott Weeks wrote:
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From: Joe Abley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Le 2006-09-12 à 15:10, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
a écrit :
It makes me wonder just how much space like that there
is out there artifically increasing IP scarcity
Le 2006-09-12 à 17:21, Daniel Golding a écrit :
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his
needs" could
be replaced with "From each according to the ARIN fee schedule, to
each
according to our impossible to decipher allocation templates".
I find the references to all
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From: Joe Abley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Le 2006-09-12 à 15:10, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> a écrit :
>
> > It makes me wonder just how much space like that there
> > is out there artifically increasing IP scarcity.
>
> The fact that there is a lot
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Adi Linden
>
> Here is a very good point of why ip space should not be a property traded
> on an open market. To me ip space is like a house number or a telephone
> number. A resource required and use
Le 2006-09-12 à 15:10, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit :
It makes me wonder just how much space like that there is out
there artifically increasing IP scarcity.
The fact that there is a lot of space assigned/allocated and not used
in any easily observable way is well known
Thus spake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Once this subject took off on nanog, I have been
oversaturated with people trying to "sell" me ip space. I
have had offers for several /16's for 10,000.00 each that are
no longer in use by the companies who "own" lol them.
It seems to
On Tue, 12 Sep 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It seems to me that this nicely illustrates a major problem with the
current system. Here we have large blocks of IP space that, by their
own rules, ARIN should take back. It all sounds nice on paper, but
clearly there is a hole in the system wher
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Once this subject took off on nanog, I have been
> oversaturated with people trying to "sell" me ip space. I
> have had offers for several /16's for 10,000.00 each that are
> no longer in use by the companies who "own" lol them.
It seems to me that this nicely illus
> Once this subject took off on nanog, I have been oversaturated with people
> trying to "sell" me ip space. I have had offers for several /16's for
> 10,000.00 each that are no longer in use by the companies who "own" lol
> them. I want to say to those people that made those offers to me
> "Chris Jester, the owner of hosting service provider Split Infinity, has
> been working with Kremen in trying to locate Cohen, whom Jester says is
> currently in Tijuana."
> http://www.avnonline.com/index.php?Primary_Navigation=Web_Exclusive_News&Action=Print_Article&Content_ID=242417
>
> ---in
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