The reason that ARIN allocations are not property is
that pre-ARIN allocations were not property. ARIN is
merely continuing the former process with more structure
and public oversight. Are telephone numbers property?
IP addresses appear to be property - - read http://news.findlaw.com/
IMHNLO ( In My Humble Non Legal Opinion)**
IP Addresses were created by UC, BBN, ATT for/under the US
Government. They were managed and controlled by the Gov first with
DARPA and then Commerce etc until the management was deeded to ARIN.
The original Internet was going to be destroyed by
Look at this page: http://www.arin.net/cgi-bin/member_list.pl
Every one of those organizations has disclosed to ARIN
all their customer names, etc... That is the way things
are done. If you don't want to play ball like the rest
of us, then you are not going to get IP addresses. That's
the simple
Did a bit of looking and found this in relation to the ARIN case..
http://38.96.4.16/order.pdf
Chris Jester
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Even if you assume that allocations made by ARIN are not property,
it's
hard to argue that pre-ARIN allocations are not. They're not subject to
revocation and their grant wasn't conditioned on compliance with
policies.
The reason that ARIN allocations are not property is
that pre-ARIN
Even if you assume that allocations made by ARIN are not property,
it's
hard to argue that pre-ARIN allocations are not. They're not subject to
revocation and their grant wasn't conditioned on compliance with
policies.
The reason that ARIN allocations are not property is
that
IP addresses appear to be property - - read http://news.findlaw.com/
hdocs/docs/cyberlaw/kremencohen72503opn.pdf. Given that domain names
are property, IP addresses should be property, especially in
California where are constitution states All things of value are
property
I'm not sure how you
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, Chris Jester wrote:
IP addresses appear to be property - - read http://news.findlaw.com/
hdocs/docs/cyberlaw/kremencohen72503opn.pdf. Given that domain names
are property, IP addresses should be property, especially in
California where are constitution states All things
On 11-Sep-2006, at 13:44, Chris Jester wrote:
Also, what about ARINS hardcore attitude making it near impossible
to aquire ip space, even when you justify it's use? I have had
nightmares myself as well as MANY of my collegues share similar
experiences.
I have talked to many people who
Owen,
I totally agree--
In the last 2 years I have worked with ARIN and received several
assignments for end users and NONE of them were difficult for the
assignment. I think the worst I saw was getting an outdated ORG ID
record changed!
The time from request to assignment in one case was less
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, Chris Jester wrote:
Also, what about ARINS hardcore attitude making it near impossible
to aquire ip space, even when you justify it's use? I have had
nightmares myself as well as MANY of my collegues share similar experiences.
I am having an issue right now with a
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, Chris Jester wrote:
Also, what about ARINS hardcore attitude making it near impossible
to aquire ip space, even when you justify it's use? I have had
nightmares myself as well as MANY of my collegues share similar experiences.
I am having an issue right now with a
Joe McGuckin typed:
2) Why does ARIN believe that it can ignore a court order?
Maybe because ARIN wasn't a party to the original proceedings
that generated that order?
Let's say you're eating lunch one day, minding your own business,
and a sheriff comes up with an official looking document and
Joe McGuckin typed:
2) Why does ARIN believe that it can ignore a court order?
Maybe because ARIN wasn't a party to the original proceedings
that generated that order?
Let's say you're eating lunch one day, minding your own business,
and a sheriff comes up with an official looking
Mark,A more 'correct' analogy would be as follows: Let's say you win a judgement against another party where the court essentially awards you all the assets of the defendant. One of the assets is a paging company. So, you hike down to the FCC and want the radio licenses for the business
On Fri, 8 Sep 2006, Mark Kent wrote:
Joe McGuckin typed:
2) Why does ARIN believe that it can ignore a court order?
Maybe because ARIN wasn't a party to the original proceedings
that generated that order?
Let's say you're eating lunch one day, minding your own business,
and a sheriff
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Schwartz) [Fri 08 Sep 2006, 21:20 CEST]:
Even if you assume that allocations made by ARIN are not
property, it's hard to argue that pre-ARIN allocations are not.
They're not subject to revocation and their grant wasn't conditioned
on compliance with policies.
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Amazing how many people fail to trim quoted material,
but at least they aren't top-posting.
Sounds a lot like tragedy of the commons. To wit, the benefits
of having the IP space is given to the owner, whereas the
resources are finite, and the cost
On Fri, Sep 08, 2006 at 12:18:59PM -0700, David Schwartz wrote:
...
Even if you assume that allocations made by ARIN are not property, it's
hard to argue that pre-ARIN allocations are not. They're not subject to
revocation and their grant wasn't conditioned on compliance with policies.
Niels Bakker wrote:
Address space policy has always been the result of a community
consensus. Just because that consensus has shifted over the years does
not mean that older entries in some database have suddenly developed
into property. All it means is that the community is very friendly for
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