On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 08:45:30AM -0600, Adi Linden said something to the
effect of:
>
> > If VOIP doesn't run on your network because you've oversold your capacity,
> > no amount of QoS is going to put the quality back into your service.
> > People will find better ISPs. If you deliberately se
On Mon, 7 Mar 2005, Adi Linden wrote:
If VOIP doesn't run on your network because you've oversold your capacity,
no amount of QoS is going to put the quality back into your service.
People will find better ISPs. If you deliberately set QoS to favor your
services over a competitor, whom your custome
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Adi Linden
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 8:46 AM
To: Bill Nash
Cc: Robert Blayzor; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: US slaps fine on company blocking VoIP
> If VOIP doesn't run on your network because you've oversold your
> capaci
> If VOIP doesn't run on your network because you've oversold your capacity,
> no amount of QoS is going to put the quality back into your service.
> People will find better ISPs. If you deliberately set QoS to favor your
> services over a competitor, whom your customers are also paying for
> serv
> > and your phone number has to be local to your location.
> ^^
>
> Thanks for proving my point.
And who says that a location needs to have only a single
phone number. Many VoIP providers will sell you extra
vanity numbers anywhere in the US
On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, Robert Blayzor wrote:
Bill Nash wrote:
At the root of it, it's deliberate anti-competitive behavior, and that's
what the fine is for. I'm generally fine to have the government stay out
of the internet as much as possible, but this move was the correct one,
as it was on behalf of
On 2005-03-05-18:43:38, Nathan Allen Stratton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
> In fact because of the lame way current providers are doing 911
> (hading calls to PSAP administration lines) BroadVoice does not
> offer 911 at all yet. I would rather NOT offer it and tell users to
> have a way to c
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Robert Blayzor
> Sent: March 4, 2005 9:02 PM
> To: Bill Nash
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: US slaps fine on company blocking VoIP
>
>
>
> Bill Nash w
On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, David M. Dowdle wrote:
> If Pepsi put a chain-link fence up around every Coca-Cola vending machine
> in your city, do you think the authorities would do something about it?
Give me a break, this is totally different. This ISP is not blocking ports
on other ISPs networks, they
On 3/5/2005 12:02 AM, John Levine wrote:
>>>Vonage has fought tooth and nail to *not* be a regulated entity.
>>
>>It's too early in the technology life-cycle for them to be treated that
>>way. I mean, you can get a phone number anywhere the service provider has
>>a pop, and if you want to feed th
>> Vonage has fought tooth and nail to *not* be a regulated entity.
>
>It's too early in the technology life-cycle for them to be treated that
>way. I mean, you can get a phone number anywhere the service provider has
>a pop, and if you want to feed that into existing 911 service systems
>you've g
Bill Nash wrote:
> At the root of it, it's deliberate anti-competitive behavior, and that's
> what the fine is for. I'm generally fine to have the government stay out
> of the internet as much as possible, but this move was the correct one,
> as it was on behalf of the end consumer. It's not the c
On 3/4/2005 5:45 PM, Thor Lancelot Simon wrote:
> Vonage has fought tooth and nail to *not* be a regulated entity.
It's too early in the technology life-cycle for them to be treated that
way. I mean, you can get a phone number anywhere the service provider has
a pop, and if you want to feed tha
On 3/4/2005 4:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> There are two sides to the issue:
>
> 1.) FCC doesn't want companies preventing other companies from competing.
> 2.) On the other hand, how do you tell a company what services it can or
> can't block?
There's another factor here, which is tha
So who's going to be the IP cop that decided which actions are
anti-competitive and which actions are 'customer care'?
How many service providers oversubscribe their internet feed. Just because
the advertisement says 384k upstream and 2Mbps downstream doesn't mean
this is a guaranteed rate availa
On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 01:54:33PM -0800, David Schwartz wrote:
>
> I'm curious how you'd feel if your local telephone company started
> preventing you from calling its competitors. How about if you suddenly
Your local telephone company is a regulated entity. It's required to
complete you
On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, Nathan Allen Stratton wrote:
The fact is, the company was preventing it's users from using technology
offered by said company's competitors.
No, they are just preventing companies that are using port X, most
providers have figured out how to make VoIP work on any port.
It's a p
On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Seems to me that said company "BroadVoice?" was attempting to prevent the
> use of VoIP in an effort to prevent competition
> with it's current phone customers. It's kind of a tough issue to deal
> with, if you think about it.
Hold, BroadVoice is a
On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, Nathan Allen Stratton wrote:
I don't speak for BroadVoice, but this seams to be to be stupid. Why
should the government get involved in ISPs blocking ports? If customers
don't like it, go to a new provider, what country is this??
Frankly, I don't see the point, any provider that
> I don't speak for BroadVoice, but this seams to be to be stupid. Why
> should the government get involved in ISPs blocking ports? If customers
> don't like it, go to a new provider, what country is this??
I'm curious how you'd feel if your local telephone company started
preventing you
It's worth pointing out that the companies in the article, are Vonage and
Nuvia - not BroadVoice.
- d.
--
Dominic J. Eidson
"Baruk Khazad! Khazad ai-menu!" - Gimli
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Seems to me that said company "BroadVoice?"
was attempting to prevent the use of VoIP in an effort to prevent competition
with it's current phone customers. It's
kind of a tough issue to deal with, if you think about it.
There are two sides to the issue:
1.) FCC doesn't want companies
preventi
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