Michel Py wrote:
In other words: as of today a large part of the bandwidth is
allocated to building everyone's collection of files. This
might gradually change to become bandwidth being used only
for incremental updates as huge local file libraries become
common place.
Peter Galbavy
Michel Py wrote:
In other words: as of today a large part of the bandwidth is allocated
to building everyone's collection of files. This might gradually
change to become bandwidth being used only for incremental updates as
huge local file libraries become common place.
But this possible assumes
Peter Galbavy wrote:
But this possible assumes that production of new media will either
slow or stay at a constant rate. The never-yet-realised side effect of
all this distribution capacity is that possible many more artists will
have access to the listeners / viewers and in more narrow niches
Erik Parker wrote:
Speaking of which.. I wish P2P had been a little bit more organized
when 9/11 happened.. Trying to watch the news online, download clips,
or images for those few days following.. was nearly impossible.
CNN/TimeWarner should recall that their entire cluster was destroyed
and
In article
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Brian
Battle [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
Akamai or not, microsoft is overwhelmed by the demand for SP2, and today is
giving the message listed below on windowsupdate:
Download and install it now - Currently not available
We are currently experiencing a high level of
quote who=Roland Perry
I have a solution, but it's expensive. A url for the whole 266MB
download (and not the smaller selective download that Windows Update
would provide). If anyone's that desperate, email me. I only used it
after waiting a week with the Automatic Updates switched on, and
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], David A.
Ulevitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
Microsoft isn't hiding the link:
http://download.microsoft.com/download/1/6/5/165b076b-aaa9-443d-84f0-73cf11fdcdf8/WindowsXP-KB835935-SP2-ENU.exe
linked from:
Michel Py wrote:
2) Make audio CD's unreadable in a computer so nobody can rip the .wav
tracks to .mp3. Totally stupid:
2.a) Remember the last ones that tried (namely Sony)? Their protection
scheme could be defeated in 2 seconds with a sharpie. I'm still
laughing at it. Hara-kiri comes to mind.
Not that I'm trying to put words in your mouth, but I believe you meant
suprnova.org which is a BitTorrent site (supernova.org is not a
bittorrent site).
Check out this link for a list of other BitTorrent sites and
applications:
http://kevinrose.typepad.com/kr/2004/07/darktip_the_bes.html
Peter Galbavy wrote:
My personal reasons for any downloading of audio, specifically,
in it's unavailability through retail channels. I keep picking
up references to older stuff that has been dumped by the pop-bods
many years ago and cannot be bought for love nor money. I may be
breaking
Owen DeLong wrote:
In general, I think attempts to legislate the behavior of the internet
are unlikely to have much effect on it's operation other than to make
certain US companies less competitive and to make certain basic
activities more difficult for the average user.
However, there is going
Big Snip ...
At 07:03 PM 8/30/2004, Sean Donlan postualted:
Is the problem P2P? Or is the problem copyright infringement?
Thank you, Sean.
What does Peer-to-Peer mean, anyway. Unfortunately, lots of things.
One could argue (I've seen a few replies re this subject hinting around
this
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Hash: SHA1
Surely the big benefits of peer to peer is it takes control way from the
center - which will never go down well in Washington when the big
Digital Publishers are being so successful at pushing through
legislation via WIPO etc.
If they want to start
To those of authority, single-point-of-failure equates to centralized
control. With the word control in large neon capital letters.
Dave Hilton
Staff System Administrator
entelos(r)
Foster City, CA
Notice: I tend to become apprehensive when my position in the food
chain becomes
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sean Donelan) [Tue 31 Aug 2004, 01:06 CEST]:
Is the problem P2P? Or is the problem copyright infringement?
Is traffic the problem? Whose anyway? Isn't the point of building
a network to facilitate the exchange of data?
-- Niels.
--
Today's subliminal thought
Christopher L. Morrow wrote:
because legislating in the 'USA' something that is clearly
'global' has worked so well? politicians looking to get:
1) votes
2) 'political bang for the buck'
3) useless hot air blown up someone's rear
really need to stop trying to legislate behaviour in places
On 30-aug-04, at 20:27, Henry Linneweh wrote:
So I would like some professional expert opinion to
give her on this issue since it will effect the
copyright inducement bill. Real benefits for
production and professional usage of this technology.
Peer to peer technology has the potential to allow
quote who=Byron L. Hicks
In fact, I would be very
reluctant to trust a Windows update downloaded via P2P.
why?
Not only were there many sources all showing the same MD5 hash (and for
the time being, we can still trust MD5...) BUT it was also digitally
signed by Microsoft which was easily
Byron L. Hicks wrote:
Not true. For those of us who host Akamai servers, we could download SP2
with no problems. We did not need P2P, or MSDN. In fact, I would be very
reluctant to trust a Windows update downloaded via P2P.
How is the p2p checksum different from any other checksum on the
Not true. For those of us who host Akamai servers, we could download SP2
with no problems. We did not need P2P, or MSDN. In fact, I would be very
reluctant to trust a Windows update downloaded via P2P.
Have you heard of MD5 sum ?
--
James H. Edwards
Routing and Security Administrator
At
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Petri Helenius wrote:
Byron L. Hicks wrote:
Not true. For those of us who host Akamai servers, we could download SP2
with no problems. We did not need P2P, or MSDN. In fact, I would be very
reluctant to trust a Windows update downloaded via P2P.
How is the p2p
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, james edwards wrote:
Not true. For those of us who host Akamai servers, we could download SP2
with no problems. We did not need P2P, or MSDN. In fact, I would be very
reluctant to trust a Windows update downloaded via P2P.
Have you heard of MD5 sum ?
yep md5 made
Thats SHA0.
Still a checksum is a checksum, cracked or not.
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On 30-aug-04, at 22:08, Dan Hollis wrote:
recall that feinstein is one of the loudest anti-p2p legislators.
i am not sure anyone should be helping her.
Security by obscurity?
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Dan Hollis wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Petri Helenius wrote:
Byron L. Hicks wrote:
Not true. For those of us who host Akamai servers, we could download SP2
with no problems. We did not need P2P, or MSDN. In fact, I would be very
reluctant to trust a Windows update
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:27:12 -0700 (PDT), Henry Linneweh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So I would like some professional expert opinion to
give her on this issue since it will effect the
copyright inducement bill. Real benefits for
production and professional usage of this technology.
In my
At 04:12 PM 30/08/2004, Dan Hollis wrote:
yep md5 made the news recently because it's been cracked:
http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-22-5314533.html
http://www.rtfm.com/movabletype/archives/2004_08.html#001055
Thats a misleading over simplification. A collision being found implies
something
Henry,
So I would like some professional expert opinion to
give her on this issue since it will effect the
copyright inducement bill. Real benefits for
production and professional usage of this technology.
I'm sure you'll hear this from many other people, but one thing that I always
try to
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Mike Tancsa wrote:
I recall even seeing posts about people claiming this meant original data
being reconstructed from the checksum! That would be truly amazing since I
could reconstruct a 680MB ISO from just 61d38fad42b4037970338636b5e72e5a.
Wow!
Technically, using an
At 05:10 PM 30/08/2004, Scott Call wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Mike Tancsa wrote:
I recall even seeing posts about people claiming this meant original data
being reconstructed from the checksum! That would be truly amazing since
I could reconstruct a 680MB ISO from just
p2p is different due to its decentralization. in other words, what
once required a server to do can now be done by anyone sitting in front
of their home computer. it in a way revitalized the idea of every
computer on the 'net being it's own host - capable of serving up
whatever the user
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 16:39:56 -0400
From: Mike Tancsa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 04:12 PM 30/08/2004, Dan Hollis wrote:
yep md5 made the news recently because it's been cracked:
http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-22-5314533.html
http://www.rtfm.com/movabletype/archives/2004_08.html#001055
Scott Call wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Mike Tancsa wrote:
I recall even seeing posts about people claiming this meant original
data being reconstructed from the checksum! That would be truly
amazing since I could reconstruct a 680MB ISO from just
61d38fad42b4037970338636b5e72e5a. Wow!
So I would like some professional expert opinion to
give her on this issue since it will effect the
copyright inducement bill. Real benefits for
production and professional usage of this technology.
We have no idea what the benefits of P2P are going to be or what the
technology is
On 30-aug-04, at 23:31, Jeff Wheeler wrote:
the problem is that while in the 'real world' this wasn't a big issue
(a user giving away copies of the latest CD they bought from their
front porch wasn't likely able to distribute it to too many people,
and it cost them money to do it) on the 'net
At 05:03 PM 08/30/04 -0400, Sean Donelan wrote:
I've always wondered what really makes P2P different from anything else on
the Internet? From the service provider's point of view, users accessing
CNN.COM is a peer-to-peer activity between the user and CNN. From the
service provider's point of
Gregory Hicks wrote:
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 16:39:56 -0400
From: Mike Tancsa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 04:12 PM 30/08/2004, Dan Hollis wrote:
yep md5 made the news recently because it's been cracked:
http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-22-5314533.html
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:31:12 -0400, Jeff Wheeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
p2p is different due to its decentralization. in other words, what
once required a server to do can now be done by anyone sitting in
front of their home computer. it in a way revitalized the idea of
every computer
Traffic patterns is one thing for sure.
P2P should be lopsided the other way around. More outbound,
than inbound. or at best symetric.
Regular browsing is asymmetric with more inbound
than outbound.
Have people been tracking changes in the traffic patterns
since the advent of P2P.
Bora
While I agree with everything you said, Scott, I think that is exactly the
kind of application that Feinstein is looking to quash. Her agenda has
been very pro-corporate control anti-free speech, anti-individual since she
took office. The only thing she seems more opposed to is anyone besides
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:33:21 -0700 (PDT), Gregory Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I recall even seeing posts about people claiming this meant original data
being reconstructed from the checksum! That would be truly amazing since I
could reconstruct a 680MB ISO from just
A method like P2P (and BT's swarming in particular) allowed this file to
spread without overtaxing the bandwidth of the person or organization
distributing it.
Frankly, in a day when news organizations are forced to think about any
negative impacts of their reporting on their parent corp's
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Bora Akyol wrote:
Traffic patterns is one thing for sure.
P2P should be lopsided the other way around. More outbound,
than inbound. or at best symetric.
Regular browsing is asymmetric with more inbound
than outbound.
The Internet pre-dates the Web. In 1992, FTP was the
Sean,
There were lots of FTP mirrors around.
Every Sun workstation could have a Anonymous FTP. Of course, the problem
was every Sun workstation could be an Anonymous FTP :-)
... but you forgot to mention that filtering and firewalls and NAT were not in common
use, hence everywhere was
On Mon, Aug 30, 2004 at 02:33:21PM -0700, Gregory Hicks wrote:
Actually...
The collision problem discovered means that there might be MULTIPLE 680MB
files that give the same checksum.
Of course, the utility of most of these files would be an exercise left to
the 'cracker' if you
I think we need to define what P2P is before we can address this.
IMHO, P2P started with NAPSTER, yes before that there was WWW, gopher,
ftp,
files by email, bitnet, x/y/z modem, bbs (dating myself here),
but the large scale bandwidth usage that is seen started with NAPSTER.
P2P I would define
/dcc send nick filename
peer to peer sharing, on irc, since 1991.
Napster simply implemented the IRC protocol's DCC function,
with a better command set / GUI.
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Is the problem P2P? Or is the problem copyright infringement?
The problem is the U.S. Congress thinking it has control or authority to
legislate anything on the Internet. At some point, the law is going to
have to recognize that the Internet is an international phenomenon, and,
that localized or
Matthew McGehrin wrote:
Tell her to kiss my white ass.
Be careful what you wish for. This is exactly what politicians do for a
living, and some happen to have a strong enough tongue to rip you a new
one.
Michel.
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Michel Py wrote:
Matthew McGehrin wrote:
Tell her to kiss my white ass.
Be careful what you wish for. This is exactly what politicians do for a
living, and some happen to have a strong enough tongue to rip you a new
one.
Remeber she's from the PRK too!
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