Re: Silicon-germanium routers?

2006-06-20 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On Jun 20, 2006, at 11:11 PM, Tony Li wrote: The breakthrough that we're looking for is a high speed, high density, low power transistor that can be commercially scaled with good yield. Not there quite yet. In comparison to early-80s ECL, how do you think the scaling curve might match? I

RE: Silicon-germanium routers?

2006-06-20 Thread Tony Li
> > I also suspsect that the community is not ready to transition to > > liquid-cooled systems. > > I rather assumed 'at room temperature' implied a standard heat sink > and fan. > > > Perhaps there's not enough information in that article to draw a > conclusion from. There are a few bits t

Re: Silicon-germanium routers?

2006-06-20 Thread Warren Kumari
The point that I was trying to make (admittedly REALLY badly) was that this is not the 'next big thing' . Did you read anything more than just that article? IBMs press release is here: http://www-03.ibm.com/technology/news/2006/0620_frozen_chip.html and they have a video here: http://www-03

Re: Silicon-germanium routers?

2006-06-20 Thread David W. Hankins
On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 12:59:54PM -0700, Tony Li wrote: > Sure doesn't sound like it. In fact, it sound like they're pushing to a > high frequency regardless of the power and thermal consequences. I thought their 500 Ghz number was just for rediculous press teasing, like the people who use lHe t

Re: Silicon-germanium routers?

2006-06-20 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Warren Kumari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Nope, all this says is that with sufficient cooling you can go > faster. What we need is going faster with less cooling. Read the article, not the headline. They got 350GHz at room temperature (which is a lot more interesting than 500

Re: Silicon-germanium routers?

2006-06-20 Thread Warren Kumari
On Jun 20, 2006, at 12:18 PM, David W. Hankins wrote: IBM and Georgia Institute of Technology are experimenting with silicon- germanium, it is said here: http://tinyurl.com/g26bu I find this interesting having just attended NANOG 37 where some manufacturers of network devices told u

Re: Silicon-germanium routers?

2006-06-20 Thread Peter Dambier
David W. Hankins wrote: IBM and Georgia Institute of Technology are experimenting with silicon- germanium, it is said here: http://tinyurl.com/g26bu I find this interesting having just attended NANOG 37 where some manufacturers of network devices told us in a panel that network heat pr

RE: Silicon-germanium routers?

2006-06-20 Thread Tony Li
> IBM and Georgia Institute of Technology are experimenting > with silicon- > germanium, it is said here: > > http://tinyurl.com/g26bu > > I find this interesting having just attended NANOG 37 where some > manufacturers of network devices told us in a panel that network > heat problems

Silicon-germanium routers?

2006-06-20 Thread David W. Hankins
IBM and Georgia Institute of Technology are experimenting with silicon- germanium, it is said here: http://tinyurl.com/g26bu I find this interesting having just attended NANOG 37 where some manufacturers of network devices told us in a panel that network heat problems weren't going away u