Re: The Uneducated Enduser (Re: Microsoft XP SP2 (was Re: Lazy network operators - NOT))

2004-04-21 Thread Chris Palmer
Doug White writes: It would be nearly impossible for computer software makers to provide against any type of attack by those so inclined. The result is that they are reactive rather than pro-active. That's not the point. The difference in degree of security between Windows and Mac OS X is

The Uneducated Enduser (Re: Microsoft XP SP2 (was Re: Lazy network operators - NOT))

2004-04-20 Thread Adi Linden
Think globally. Even though this forum has NA as its heading, we need to think globally when suggesting solutions. You'll never get any sort of licensing globally nor will you EVER get end users (globally) educated enough to stop doing the things that they do which allow these events to

Re: The Uneducated Enduser (Re: Microsoft XP SP2 (was Re: Lazy network operators - NOT))

2004-04-20 Thread Dr. Jeffrey Race
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 09:21:02 -0500 (CDT), Adi Linden wrote: Since many gateway service providers will not prevent insufficiently skilled users from connecting to the internet and injuring others, the only remaining solution, as far as I can see, is cutting connectivity with those enablers.

Re: The Uneducated Enduser (Re: Microsoft XP SP2 (was Re: Lazy network operators - NOT))

2004-04-20 Thread Adi Linden
As for the specifics of your comments, I could not disagree more, but it is a philosophy of life that distinguishes our views, not the analysis of the problem. I believe (like a lot of other New Englanders and even some from California) that people must assume responsibility for their

Re: The Uneducated Enduser (Re: Microsoft XP SP2 (was Re: Lazy network operators - NOT))

2004-04-20 Thread Doug White
[snip] : : My argument is that a computer needs to be in a safe state by default. I : firmly believe that if I buy a brand new box from any reputable vendor : with a premium operating system of choice I should be able to connect this : device to a local broadband connection indefinitely. It

Re: The Uneducated Enduser (Re: Microsoft XP SP2 (was Re: Lazy network operators - NOT))

2004-04-20 Thread Scott McGrath
Operating systems bundled with a retail computer _should_ be reasonably secure out of the box. OS X can be placed on a unprotected internet connection in a unpatched state and it's default configuration allows it to be patched to current levels without it being compromised. On the other hand