On 5/4/06, Aaron Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 5/4/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
why would anyone do that?
--bill
Some companies feel entitled to charging more for their routes than
they would for simple transit.
aaron.glenn
John:
Hopefully this comes
On 5/4/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
karoshi.com wrote:
why would anyone do that?
Hopefully this comes out clearly, as writing can be more confusing
than speaking...
My point is it is hard to do anything beyond the first AS# for any SLA
that you would be paying,
On 5/5/06, Peter Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hopefully this comes out clearly, as writing can be more confusing
than speaking...
Are you getting at Inter AS /SLA/QOS that you would get from transit
vs. best effort peering? Even that has some issues, the one that
jumps out to me is
At 07:48 AM 5/5/2006, Peter Cohen wrote:
On 5/4/06, Aaron Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 5/4/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
why would anyone do that?
--bill
Some companies feel entitled to charging more for their routes than
they would for simple transit.
to underline a point made previously though: Tier-1 is a routing
architecture term that doesn't have any useful direct bearing in how
best to select a service provider. some of the best service providers
in the world are not tier-1 and some of the worst are ( i won't name
members of either
From an off-list discussion:
Does anyone know of an ISP that has paid transit from all known SFP
(Tier 1) providers? (sort of the old SAVVIS model on steroids.)
John
On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 11:25:35AM -0500, John Dupuy wrote:
From an off-list discussion:
Does anyone know of an ISP that has paid transit from all known SFP
(Tier 1) providers? (sort of the old SAVVIS model on steroids.)
John
why would anyone do that?
--bill
Internap?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 11:25:35AM -0500, John Dupuy wrote: From an off-list discussion: Does anyone know of an ISP that has paid transit from all known SFP (Tier 1) providers? (sort of the old SAVVIS model on steroids.) John why would anyone do that?--bill
Internap?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 11:25:35AM -0500, John Dupuy wrote: From an off-list discussion: Does anyone know of an ISP that has paid transit from all known SFP (Tier 1) providers? (sort of the old SAVVIS model on steroids.) John why would anyone do that?--bill
At 12:57 PM 5/4/2006, Jon Lyons wrote:
Internap?
Yes. That's what I was thinking, but too easy?
-M
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Renesys Corporation(w) 617-395-8574
Member of Technical Staff
Well, I suppose that depends on what you mean by Tier 1. ;-)
We do buy from a number of providers, many of which would be considered
Tier 1 by many people.
On Thu, 4 May 2006, Jon Lyons wrote:
Internap?
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On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 11:25:35AM -0500, John Dupuy wrote:
On 5/4/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
why would anyone do that?
--bill
Some companies feel entitled to charging more for their routes than
they would for simple transit.
aaron.glenn
Sorry... I should have clarified, I wasn't thinking it had anything to
do w/ fiber or no fiber... that was just a secondary question.
Rob
Richard A Steenbergen wrote:
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 10:38:22PM -0700, Robert Sherrard wrote:
What make a provider a tier 2, versus a tier 1
On Tue, 02 May 2006 22:38:22 PDT, Robert Sherrard said:
What make a provider a tier 2, versus a tier 1 provider...
Usually it's defined as Tier 1's don't buy transit, Tier 2's do. Of course,
it gets a lot more complicated, because you can easily have a Tier2 that's
peering for 95% of its
(Disclaimer: we're neither a Tier 1 or 2. And most of the routes we receive
via
a regional provider that treats us *very* nicely - mostly because we have them
by the short-and-curlies. They piss us off too much, we turn off the phones
in
their NOC. ;)
er... a typo? should
On Wed, 03 May 2006 06:32:24 -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
er... a typo? should be... ... we turn ON the phones in their NOC.
No, turning the phones *on* is what you do to their help desk. :)
Turning off the phones shouldn't inconvenience a NOC that much, since most
of the people there
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What make a provider a tier 2, versus a tier 1 provider...
This has been answered by Richard, but to put my two cents in - you
shouldn't care. There is very little correlation between performance,
At 01:58 AM 5/3/2006, Richard A Steenbergen wrote:
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 10:38:22PM -0700, Robert Sherrard wrote:
What make a provider a tier 2, versus a tier 1 provider...
Is it possible to determine who a tier 2 (i.e. Cogent) leases fiber from?
It has absolutely nothing to do with
: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 10:07 AM
To: Richard A Steenbergen; Robert Sherrard
Cc: nanog list
Subject: Re: Tier 2 - Lease?
At 01:58 AM 5/3/2006, Richard A Steenbergen wrote:
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 10:38:22PM -0700, Robert Sherrard wrote:
What make a provider a tier 2, versus a tier 1 provider
On Wed, 03 May 2006 07:47:20 PDT, Berkman, Scott said:
Interesting to notice someone (perhaps from this list?) has removed
Cogent from the T1 list.
Wishful thinking from somebody carrying a grudge at Level3?
(ducks) :)
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so annoying.
people keep trying to add several non-tier-1 providers in there.
cogent 174 : no. buys transit from 2914 (NTT america/verio)
btn 3491 : no. buys from savvis 3561 i believe
ft 5511 : no. buys from sprint 1239
i'm pretty sure i saw some other silly ones in there, too, but i
On May 3, 2006, at 11:41 AM, Todd Underwood wrote:
to underline a point made previously though: Tier-1 is a routing
architecture term that doesn't have any useful direct bearing in how
best to select a service provider.
s/routing architecture/business/
It is possible to be a Tier Two
At 01:58 AM 5/3/2006, Richard A Steenbergen wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1_carrier
As of this exact moment that I'm posting, that article is actually
reasonably accurate. Of course I'm sure in 5 minutes 100 people will be
Berkman, Scott wrote:
Interesting to notice someone
Robert Sherrard wrote:
What make a provider a tier 2, versus a tier 1 provider...
We are a tier 1 provider = I am a salesperson.
They are a tier 2 provider. = I am a salesperson and they are our
competitor.
Is it possible to determine who a tier 2 (i.e. Cogent) leases fiber from?
Ask
The tier nomenclature also a really good way to instigate flame fests on
lists such as this.
Regards
Marshall
On May 3, 2006, at 12:23 PM, Joe Provo wrote:
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 10:38:22PM -0700, Robert Sherrard wrote:
What make a provider a tier 2, versus a tier 1 provider...
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What make a provider a tier 2, versus a tier 1 provider...
Is it possible to determine who a tier 2 (i.e. Cogent) leases fiber from?
Rob
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 10:38:22PM -0700, Robert Sherrard wrote:
What make a provider a tier 2, versus a tier 1 provider...
Is it possible to determine who a tier 2 (i.e. Cogent) leases fiber from?
It has absolutely nothing to do with fiber.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1_carrier
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