Re: Transit LAN vs. Individual LANs

2006-02-28 Thread Stephen Sprunk
Thus spake Ejay Hire [EMAIL PROTECTED] From my perspective... ...a physical mesh requires too many ports to be economical. But, if one has the money, it's probably the better technical choice. Since his folks are already familiar with having things set up PTP using some other physical

Re: Transit LAN vs. Individual LANs

2006-02-28 Thread Stephen Sprunk
Thus spake Scott Weeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Stephen Sprunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] ITYM two big transit LANs -- one must be prepared for a switch to fail. These're going to be router-to-router connections (each AR is connected to both CRs) and I had thought about tying them all into one VLAN

Re: Transit LAN vs. Individual LANs

2006-02-28 Thread Scott Weeks
- Original Message Follows - From: Stephen Sprunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thus spake Scott Weeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Stephen Sprunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] ITYM two big transit LANs -- one must be prepared for a switch to fail. These're going to be router-to-router connections (each

RE: Transit LAN vs. Individual LANs

2006-02-27 Thread Ejay Hire
/up, you have a slow failover, based on the timers of your IGP. Ejay Hire -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Weeks Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 8:03 PM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Transit LAN vs. Individual LANs I

Re: Transit LAN vs. Individual LANs

2006-02-27 Thread John Curran
At 4:03 PM -1000 2/24/06, Scott Weeks wrote: I have 2 core routers (CR) and 3 access routers (AR) ... Optimal solution is to dual-home each AR via PTP links into the CR's. This has the simplest topology, fewest components, highest throughput, and highest availability. The only reason not to do

Re: Transit LAN vs. Individual LANs

2006-02-27 Thread Scott Weeks
--On February 25, 2006 11:04:12 AM -0500 Patrick W. Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 24, 2006, at 9:03 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: I have 2 core routers (CR) and 3 access routers (AR) currently connected point-to-point where each AR connects to each CR for a total of 6 ckts.

Re: Transit LAN vs. Individual LANs

2006-02-27 Thread Warren Kumari
On Feb 25, 2006, at 9:23 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: --On February 25, 2006 8:09:22 PM + Christopher L. Morrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 25 Feb 2006, Neil J. McRae wrote: An argument could be made for individual VLANs to keep things like b- cast storms isolated. But I think

Re: Transit LAN vs. Individual LANs

2006-02-27 Thread Scott Weeks
- Original Message Follows - From: Stephen Sprunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Patrick W. Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: North American Noise and Off-topic Gripes nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Transit LAN vs. Individual LANs Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:56:37 -0600 Thus spake Patrick W. Gilmore

Re: Transit LAN vs. Individual LANs

2006-02-27 Thread goemon
On Mon, 27 Feb 2006, Warren Kumari wrote: Now, seeing as Auto-Negotiation is required, it implies that automatic MDI/MDI-X is also required -- however, certain vendors seem to ignore this Which ones? -Dan

Re: Transit LAN vs. Individual LANs

2006-02-26 Thread Pete Templin
An argument could be made for individual VLANs to keep things like b- cast storms isolated. But I think the additional complexity will cause more problems than it will solve. One must keep in mind that human error is the dominant cause of outages, and since there's not likely to be

Re: Transit LAN vs. Individual LANs

2006-02-26 Thread Owen DeLong
--On February 26, 2006 7:53:40 AM -0600 Pete Templin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An argument could be made for individual VLANs to keep things like b- cast storms isolated. But I think the additional complexity will cause more problems than it will solve. One must keep in mind that

Re: Transit LAN vs. Individual LANs

2006-02-25 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Feb 24, 2006, at 9:03 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: I have 2 core routers (CR) and 3 access routers (AR) currently connected point-to-point where each AR connects to each CR for a total of 6 ckts. Now someone has decided to connect them with Gig-E. I was wondering about the benefits or

RE: Transit LAN vs. Individual LANs

2006-02-25 Thread Neil J. McRae
An argument could be made for individual VLANs to keep things like b- cast storms isolated. But I think the additional complexity will cause more problems than it will solve. Vlans will not stop all typres of broadcast storm.

Re: Transit LAN vs. Individual LANs

2006-02-25 Thread Owen DeLong
--On February 25, 2006 11:04:12 AM -0500 Patrick W. Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 24, 2006, at 9:03 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: I have 2 core routers (CR) and 3 access routers (AR) currently connected point-to-point where each AR connects to each CR for a total of 6 ckts. Now

Re: Transit LAN vs. Individual LANs

2006-02-25 Thread Stephen Sprunk
Thus spake Patrick W. Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Feb 24, 2006, at 9:03 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: I have 2 core routers (CR) and 3 access routers (AR) currently connected point-to-point where each AR connects to each CR for a total of 6 ckts. Now someone has decided to connect them with Gig-E.

RE: Transit LAN vs. Individual LANs

2006-02-25 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Sat, 25 Feb 2006, Neil J. McRae wrote: An argument could be made for individual VLANs to keep things like b- cast storms isolated. But I think the additional complexity will cause more problems than it will solve. Vlans will not stop all typres of broadcast storm. So, perhaps I

Re: Transit LAN vs. Individual LANs

2006-02-25 Thread Mark Smith
On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:56:37 -0600 Stephen Sprunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thus spake Patrick W. Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Feb 24, 2006, at 9:03 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: snip There are a few advantages to going with PTP VLANs, such as eliminating DR/BDR elections needed on shared

Re: Transit LAN vs. Individual LANs

2006-02-25 Thread Mark Smith
On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:41:45 +1030 Mark Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To qualify this better, there are no DR/BDR on the segment at all, rather than there being ones that just aren't used : Automatic nighbour discovery via multicast hellos still happens, the difference is that the routers

RE: Transit LAN vs. Individual LANs

2006-02-25 Thread Owen DeLong
--On February 25, 2006 8:09:22 PM + Christopher L. Morrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 25 Feb 2006, Neil J. McRae wrote: An argument could be made for individual VLANs to keep things like b- cast storms isolated. But I think the additional complexity will cause more

Transit LAN vs. Individual LANs

2006-02-24 Thread Scott Weeks
I have 2 core routers (CR) and 3 access routers (AR) currently connected point-to-point where each AR connects to each CR for a total of 6 ckts. Now someone has decided to connect them with Gig-E. I was wondering about the benefits or disadvantages of keeping the ckts each in their own