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Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 11:04 AM
To: Jamie Bowden
Cc: Marshall Eubanks; nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: Undersea fiber cut after Taiwan earthquake - PCCW / Singtel /
KT e tc connectivity disrupted
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the only fiber that i'm aware of that is actually along the toll road itsel
"Jamie Bowden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Entrances, ha. Anyone remember that railroad tunnel in Baltimore ?
>> And I am pretty sure that Fairfax County isn't much better.
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> We have a railroad tunnel in Fairfax?
single points of failure, like f'rinstance collapsed backbone segments
on boo
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> To: Brian Wallingford
> Cc: Rod Beck; nanog@merit.edu
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&g
e elaborate it.
- R.
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Sent: Sun 1/21/2007 11:39 PM
To: nanog@merit.edu
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On Sun, 21 Jan 2007, Rod Beck wrote:
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On Sun, 21 Jan 2007, Fergie wrote:
This really has more to do with analogies regarding organizations
such as DeBeers, and less with Murphy's Law. :-)
No, its not a scarcity argument. You have the same problem regardless
of the number of carriers or fibers or routes. There wasn't a lack of
al
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- -- Sean Donelan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>The FAA, Federal Reserve, SFTI and SMART are probably at the top as
>far as trying to engineer their networks and maintain diversity
>assurances. But even the Federal Reserve found the cost more than
>i
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007, Rod Beck wrote:
Well, gentlemen, you have to ask for the fiber maps and have them
placed in the contract as an exhibit.
Most of the large commercial banks are doing it. It's doable, but it
does require effort.
Uhm, did you bother to read the NDAI report? The Federal Re
: Undersea fiber cut after Taiwan earthquake - PCCW / Singtel / KT e
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>In many places (based on a quick scan of the telegeography map from 200
>posts ago...) it seems like cable landings are all very much centrally
>located in any one geographic area. There are like
the disclaimer.
Regards,
Roderick.
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Sent: Sun 1/21/2007 8:40 PM
To: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: Undersea fiber cut after Taiwan earthquake - PCCW / Singtel / KT e
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On 1/20/07, Brian
erick.
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Subject: RE: Undersea fiber cut after Taiwan earthquake - PCCW / Singtel / KT e
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On Sun, 21 Jan 2007, Rod Beck wrote:
> Unfortunately it is new
>In many places (based on a quick scan of the telegeography map from 200
>posts ago...) it seems like cable landings are all very much centrally
>located in any one geographic area. There are like 5 on the east coast
>near NYC, with many of the cables coming into the same landing place.
That's tr
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007, Aaron Glenn wrote:
Just the other night I was trolling marketing materials for various
lit services from a number of providers and I ran across what I found
to be an interesting PDF from the ol' SBC (can't find it at the
moment). It was a government services product briefin
On 1/20/07, Brian Wallingford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
That's news?
The same still happens with much land-based sonet, where "diverse paths"
still share the same entrance to a given facility. Unless each end can
negotiate cost sharing for diverse paths, or unless the owner of the fiber
can
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007, Rod Beck wrote:
Unfortunately it is news to the decision makers, the buyers of network
capacity at many of the major IP backbones. Indeed, the Atlantic route
has problems quite similar to the Pacific.
If this is news to them, perhaps its time to get new decision makers an
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007, Rod Beck wrote:
> Or how about the ship that sank off the coast of Pakistan and cut both
> the SWM3 spur into Pakistan and the Flag link?
>
This is a function of the cable-head being close to a port and close to
it's neighbor cable-head, right? If the cable heads were on o
Or how about the ship that sank off the coast of Pakistan and cut both the SWM3
spur into Pakistan and the Flag link?
Buying capacity on both systems into Pakistan would have done zero for you in
that case ...
By the way, I will try to remove the disclaimer tomorrow.
Regards,
Roderick S. B
On Jan 21, 2007, at 12:05 AM, Brian Wallingford wrote:
That's news?
The same still happens with much land-based sonet, where "diverse
paths"
still share the same entrance to a given facility. Unless each end
can
Entrances, ha. Anyone remember that railroad tunnel in Baltimore ?
And I
Hi Brian,
Unfortunately it is news to the decision makers, the buyers of network capacity
at many of the major IP backbones. Indeed, the Atlantic route has problems
quite similar to the Pacific.
:Roderick S. Beck
:EMEA and North American Sales
:Hibernia Atlantic
This e-mail and any attachme
That's news?
The same still happens with much land-based sonet, where "diverse paths"
still share the same entrance to a given facility. Unless each end can
negotiate cost sharing for diverse paths, or unless the owner of the fiber
can cost justify the same, chances are you're not going to see t
What's really interesing is the fragility of the existing telecom
infrastructure. These six cables were apparently very close to each other in
the water. In other words, despite all the preaching about physical diversity,
it was ignored in practice. Indeed, undersea cables very often use the sam
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Sent: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 17:28:36 -0900
Subject: Re: Undersea fiber cut after Taiwan earthquake - PCCW / Singtel / KT e
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> There are significant cable landing sites at Pacific City and at
> Nedonna Beach near Rockaway, Oregon
There are significant cable landing sites at Pacific City and at
Nedonna Beach near Rockaway, Oregon, not far from here in Portland.
They connect variously to Japan, Hawaii (and Australia), Alaska
and California.
Quite a bit about these cable terminuses can be found at the
Oregon Fishermen's Cabl
Frank Coluccio wrote:
>
> Kidding aside, these "errors" are actually intentional, and the publisher
> makes
> no bones about it at the bottom of the page. See disclaimer under the South
> Atlantic Ocean:
>
> "Cable Routes do not represent all subsea cable networks and do not reflect
> actual lo
nt: Thursday, December 28, 2006 12:58 AM
>To: Gaurab Raj Upadhaya; Jared Mauch
>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; nanog@merit.edu
>Subject: Re: Undersea fiber cut after Taiwan earthquake - PCCW / Singtel / KT e
tc connectivity disrupted
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>
>I would expect that some of the affected cables have lo
A listing of cable ships around the world and their approximate
locations (as of a couple of months ago) is available from the
Submarine Telecoms Forum, at
http://www.subtelforum.com/
and click on "Issue 29".
There just aren't that many ships in the area, or any area, for
that matter. The r
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On Dec 28, 2006, at 5:35 AM, Jared Mauch wrote:
I've wondered how many boats/subs exist for these repairs
and if attempting to do them all in parallel is going to be a big
problem. With 6 systems having outages, it will be interesting to
I would expect that some of the affected cables have lost dc power used to drive
repeaters and amplifiers (10 kv d.c.) from their landing stations. Or that is at
least the hope at this time. The WSJ today published a superb article along with
a unusually detailed global route map. See intro along
> I've wondered how many boats/subs exist for these repairs
> and if attempting to do them all in parallel is going to be a big
> problem. With 6 systems having outages, it will be interesting to see
> when various paths/systems come back online and if there is a gating
> factor in underse
On Thu, Dec 28, 2006 at 04:55:25AM +, Gaurab Raj Upadhaya wrote:
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> Hi,
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> Information seems to suggest that these all have one or other faults
> due to the earthquake. Some probably have more serious problems then
> others.
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> SM
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Hi,
Information seems to suggest that these all have one or other faults
due to the earthquake. Some probably have more serious problems then
others.
SMW3 (Sea-me-we 3).
FNAL and FEA (FLAG North Asia Loop) ;
RNAL = Reach North Asia Loop
APCN2
According to Chungwa, Sea-Me-We3 and APCN2 are affected.
Satellite connectivity is already being mentioned for
supplanting surviving regional connectivity.
--
RSUC / GweepNet / Spunk / FnB / Usenix / SAGE
On 12/27/06, Fergie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
While a tsunami warning came to nothing, the quake damaged at least six
undersea telecommunication cables, affecting users in Taiwan and South
Korea, and was felt in China and Hong Kong.
And here's hinet taiwan's statement
http://www.cht.com.tw/
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Reuters AlertNet says (props, Vicky Rode):
[snip]
While a tsunami warning came to nothing, the quake damaged at least six
undersea telecommunication cables, affecting users in Taiwan and South
Korea, and was felt in China and Hong Kong.
[snip]
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