Re: 911, was You're all over thinking this (was: Re: Vonage Selects TCS For VoIP E911 Service)

2005-07-25 Thread Peter Corlett
John Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Given that we're talking about cell phones, it seems completely likely. Cell phones present the dialed number as a block, so there's no ambiguity between 911 and 911X. I don't know whether UK cell carriers map 911 to 112, but there's no technical

Re: 911, was You're all over thinking this (was: Re: Vonage Selects TCS For VoIP E911 Service)

2005-07-25 Thread Simon Waters
On Monday 25 Jul 2005 10:55 am, Peter Corlett wrote: Does 112 work on non-GSM phones? In most of Europe dialing 112 on any phone on a public phone network, mobile or fixed, should get you an emergency operator. I think in some parts of Europe it may still get you the police, instead of a

Re: 911, was You're all over thinking this (was: Re: Vonage Selects TCS For VoIP E911 Service)

2005-07-25 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 25-jul-2005, at 12:54, Brad Knowles wrote: rant And why should the UK change its numbering system just because a few dumb Yanks who can't be bothered to learn local customs? Does 999 get through to the emergency services in the NANP? Does 112 work on non-GSM phones? How about

Re: 911, was You're all over thinking this (was: Re: Vonage Selects TCS For VoIP E911 Service)

2005-07-25 Thread Brad Knowles
At 1:18 PM +0200 2005-07-25, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: What should happen instead is that everywhere, the most common ones are made to work as additional CNAMEs for the local one. That doesn't work. As has already been demonstrated, there are numbers elsewhere in the world with 999 as

Re: 911, was You're all over thinking this (was: Re: Vonage Selects TCS For VoIP E911 Service)

2005-07-25 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 25-jul-2005, at 13:45, Brad Knowles wrote: What should happen instead is that everywhere, the most common ones are made to work as additional CNAMEs for the local one. That doesn't work. As has already been demonstrated, there are numbers elsewhere in the world with 999 as

Re: 911, was You're all over thinking this (was: Re: Vonage Selects TCS For VoIP E911 Service)

2005-07-25 Thread Michael . Dillon
Anyway, my point being: the current numbers have been drilled into our subconscious very effectively. Throwing that away woulde be an amazing waste of time and money. Would it? Are humans that difficult to teach? Is all advertising a waste of time? This whole single number hype should end

Re: 911, was You're all over thinking this (was: Re: Vonage Selects TCS For VoIP E911 Service)

2005-07-25 Thread Peter Corlett
Simon Waters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 25 Jul 2005 10:55 am, Peter Corlett wrote: [...] Does 112 work on non-GSM phones? In most of Europe dialing 112 on any phone on a public phone network, mobile or fixed, should get you an emergency operator. When I wrote non-GSM, I actually

Re: 911, was You're all over thinking this (was: Re: Vonage Selects TCS For VoIP E911 Service)

2005-07-25 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Mon, Jul 25, 2005 at 02:01:33PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This whole single number hype should end anyway. In Russia it is simple, there are three numbers: 01 - Fire Service 02 - Police 03 - Ambulance/Medical response Easy to remember especially because the number is written

RE: 911, (is: pointless) (was: You're all over thinking this) (was: Re: Vonage Selects TCS For VoIP E911 Service)

2005-07-25 Thread Jason Sloderbeck
Summary (and hopeful conclusion) of this thread: Depending on which country you live in, you may have to dial a different number for emergency services. It's true! If you read the entire discussion, you'll be amazed at how many emergency numbers NANOG members can name for various countries,

Re: 911, was You're all over thinking this (was: Re: Vonage Selects TCS For VoIP E911 Service)

2005-07-25 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:09:11 -, Peter Corlett said: If you don't even know what country you're in, I don't fancy your chances telling emergency services where you are... I blinked... Did we leave (Luxembourg / Andorra / Liechtenstein ) already? :) (Sorry, I couldn't resist ;)

Re: 911, was You're all over thinking this (was: Re: Vonage Selects TCS For VoIP E911 Service)

2005-07-24 Thread John Levine
world-wide, so that if you're an American in Europe, you can still call 911 and have that work as expected. Given that there are UK telephone numbers starting 911, this seems rather unlikely. Given that we're talking about cell phones, it seems completely likely. Cell phones present the

Re: You're all over thinking this (was: Re: Vonage Selects TCS For VoIP E911 Service)

2005-07-21 Thread Peter Corlett
Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I understand that the carriers have gotten together and made sure that the various 911/112/999 emergency services numbers work world-wide, so that if you're an American in Europe, you can still call 911 and have that work as expected. Given that

Re: You're all over thinking this (was: Re: Vonage Selects TCS For VoIP E911 Service)

2005-07-21 Thread Richard Cox
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:20:07 + (UTC) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Corlett) wrote: Given that there are UK telephone numbers starting 911 When I worked with Oftel on the design of the new UK numbering schemes, one of my strongest recommendations was for certain prefixes, including 911, to be

Re: You're all over thinking this (was: Re: Vonage Selects TCS For VoIP E911 Service)

2005-07-21 Thread Joe Abley
On 20 Jul 2005, at 21:46, Brad Knowles wrote: In the case of regular cell phones, if you are roaming on a network in a foreign country, or you have rented a local phone, I understand that the carriers have gotten together and made sure that the various 911/112/999 emergency services

You're all over thinking this (was: Re: Vonage Selects TCS For VoIP E911 Service)

2005-07-20 Thread Steve Gibbard
I don't know all that much about commercial VOIP service or GPS, but it seems to me I've just read lots and lots of messages citing weird cases where locating a VOIP phone won't work well as evidence that the whole idea is a failure, while none of those cases appear to have much to do with

Re: You're all over thinking this (was: Re: Vonage Selects TCS For VoIP E911 Service)

2005-07-20 Thread Brad Knowles
At 4:19 PM -0700 2005-07-20, Steve Gibbard wrote: At some point it makes sense to solve the problems you can solve, rather than inventing new ones. True enough. However, the tough problems are always the ones you never thought of before you started building the system. Therefore, it