Re: dontaing bgp config files [Re: Risk of Internet collapse grows]

2002-12-02 Thread Ratul Mahajan
> It is not clear if you mean that tools (e.g. BGP) are > primitive, languages to express policy in BGP are > primitive, or application of what we have (BGP + whatever > language you use) is primitive. Which is it (or which > subset)? i would argue all of them; th

Re: dontaing bgp config files [Re: Risk of Internet collapse grows]

2002-12-02 Thread John Kristoff
On Sun, 1 Dec 2002 23:03:22 -0800 (PST) Ratul Mahajan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > speaking neighbor), you can help us by donating your bgp config files. > abstracted > or anonymized versions are ok. Of possible general interest to the list, I had begun work over a year ago in 'mapping' out pee

Re: dontaing bgp config files [Re: Risk of Internet collapse grows]

2002-12-02 Thread Neil J. McRae
> > not sure why a config will help you any more than RR info which is much easier > to get and maintain.. ultimately if you want more detailed data you need a > complete view from each border router your interested in.. > Well if you have something like Opnet you can produce quite detailed net

Re: dontaing bgp config files [Re: Risk of Internet collapse grows]

2002-12-02 Thread Stephen J. Wilcox
not sure why a config will help you any more than RR info which is much easier to get and maintain.. ultimately if you want more detailed data you need a complete view from each border router your interested in.. On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, Mark Radabaugh wrote: > > > > if you run a network that has

Re: dontaing bgp config files [Re: Risk of Internet collapse grows]

2002-12-02 Thread Mark Radabaugh
> if you run a network that has choices to make (more than one BGP speaking > neighbor), you can help us by donating your bgp config files. abstracted > or anonymized versions are ok. > http://www.cs.washington.edu/research/networking/policy-inference/donation.h tml I'm not sure if you want the

Re: dontaing bgp config files [Re: Risk of Internet collapse grows]

2002-12-02 Thread David Meyer
Ratul, >> understanding of routing (especially inter-domain) in the research >> community is really primitive. this precludes us from having realistic >> routing models. we recently started working on understanding prevalent >> inter-domain routing policies. the ultimate goal is to improv

dontaing bgp config files [Re: Risk of Internet collapse grows]

2002-12-01 Thread Ratul Mahajan
since we are on the subject of availability of good data, i'd like to ask the list what i have been contemplating for some time now. understanding of routing (especially inter-domain) in the research community is really primitive. this precludes us from having realistic routing models. we recent