good cabling in real environments [Re: Request for submissions: messy cabling and other broken things]

2003-12-17 Thread Pekka Savola
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, John Kinsella wrote: Always liked the work my fellow coworkers at Globix used to do - I don't have any shots of SJC or NYC online (too bad - a few projects I went to alot of trouble on to show the rest how it should be done ;) ), but here's one of our demo panels from

Re: good cabling in real environments [Re: Request for submissions: messy cabling and other broken things]

2003-12-17 Thread Robert A. Hayden
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Pekka Savola wrote: Now, we've seen a few pics of good cabling as well. However, I'm forced to ask which kind of good cabling is possible in a dynamic environment when you plug in/out, change, etc. the cables. This seems to invariably lead to total chaos :-). You

Re: good cabling in real environments [Re: Request for submissions: messy cabling and other broken things]

2003-12-17 Thread Daniel Karrenberg
On 17.12 19:07, Pekka Savola wrote: How do you do good cabling in dynamic, real environments? :-) My own 25 years of experience boil down to: Try to plan for expansion as well as possible when designing, then periodically start over and completely re-build the messy parts.

Re: good cabling in real environments [Re: Request for submissions: messy cabling and other broken things]

2003-12-17 Thread Alex Yuriev
How do you do good cabling in dynamic, real environments? :-) It is not that difficult *if* the money is spent in a short term to make sure that no ugly and silly stuff is crated in a longer(long) term. Strategically pre-running certain parts of the facility with cat5/fiber to minimize the

Re: good cabling in real environments [Re: Request for submissions: messy cabling and other broken things]

2003-12-17 Thread John Kinsella
On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 07:07:13PM +0200, Pekka Savola wrote: How do you do good cabling in dynamic, real environments? :-) You hide the spiders nest with lots of panduit covers? ;) Honestly, I think it comes down to two things: Planning before implementation - you pre-wire your net gear to

Re: good cabling in real environments [Re: Request for submissions: messy cabling and other broken things]

2003-12-17 Thread Henry Linneweh
Any good software out there for cable documenting and even routing and for ECO when things are changed? -Henry Alex Yuriev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you do good cabling in dynamic, real environments? :-)It is not that difficult *if* the money is spent in a short term to makesure that no

Re: good cabling in real environments [Re: Request for submissions: messy cabling and other broken things]

2003-12-17 Thread Bruce Pinsky
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Pekka Savola wrote: | On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, John Kinsella wrote: | |Always liked the work my fellow coworkers at Globix used to do - I don't |have any shots of SJC or NYC online (too bad - a few projects I went to |alot of trouble on to show the rest

Re: good cabling in real environments [Re: Request for submissions: messy cabling and other broken things]

2003-12-17 Thread Randy Bush
the most long-term stable cable dress i see is in cookie-cutter pops, where the provider cranks them out fully pre-wired and all the same. you live in a dynamic environment? unplanned change either makes messes or large amounts of rework. there ain't no magic pill. randy

Re: good cabling in real environments [Re: Request for submissions: messy cabling and other broken things]

2003-12-17 Thread Bruce Pinsky
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Henry Linneweh wrote: | Any good software out there for cable documenting and even routing and for | ECO when things are changed? | I've looked at ITRACS (www.itracs.com) and Telsoft's stuff (http://telsoft-solutions.com/cable.html) before. ITT also

Re: good cabling in real environments [Re: Request for submissions: messy cabling and other broken things]

2003-12-17 Thread Bruce Pinsky
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 John Kinsella wrote: | On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 07:07:13PM +0200, Pekka Savola wrote: | |How do you do good cabling in dynamic, real environments? :-) | | | You hide the spiders nest with lots of panduit covers? ;) | | Honestly, I think it comes down