Re: looking for pull traffic

2003-11-14 Thread Tom (UnitedLayer)
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: The traffic is too short and bursty to be of any benefit, even when you can successfully filter it so that no other operations are impacted. I think that would be the biggest trick in order to even ratios - keep other services unaffected. I

looking for pull traffic

2003-11-13 Thread matthew zeier
Higher powers have decided our 95/5 traffic slit needs to move closer to 60/40 (transit pricing). I'm looking for legitimate ways to generate a significant amount of pull traffic, including partnerships with Southern California ISPs. Thanks. -- matthew zeier - Curiosity is a willing, a

Re: looking for pull traffic

2003-11-13 Thread Paul Vixie
i'm sure search engines like google or altavista or microsoft or yahoo would happily charge you less for suck than your peers/transits would (like to) change you for blow. with transit-exchange businesses coming into existence, and with older peering-exchange businesses willing to support

RE: looking for pull traffic

2003-11-13 Thread Deepak Jain
my guess is that when isp's start paying customers for suck in order to balance their own ratios or to upset other people's ratios, that it will stabilize at about 10% of current blow-based transit pricing. and that there will all of a sudden be a lot more ddos'ing, fly-by-night crawlers,

Re: looking for pull traffic

2003-11-13 Thread Paul Vixie
Ahh, but are you saying that current blow-based transit pricing is stable? ah. no. current transit pricing is way way lower than a non-bankrupt provider can afford to do it for on an ROI that the public markets would find worthy of their praise. eventually, all kinds of flies are going to

Re: looking for pull traffic

2003-11-13 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003, Paul Vixie wrote: support transit-exchange, there really ought to be a market for suck. apparently there is a huge market for suck (anybody have any guesses how much of the current ddos load is driven by ratio concerns? that is, now that we know spammers are

RE: looking for pull traffic

2003-11-13 Thread Tom (UnitedLayer)
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003, Deepak Jain wrote: Maybe I am exceptionally naive, but are DDOSes *REALLY* that consistent between providers to affect month-over-month or quarterly ratios? I know a webhoster/provider who consistently takes in 1Mpps DOS attacks, and I'm presuming that the 95th percentile

Re: looking for pull traffic

2003-11-13 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 04:38:06PM -0800, Tom (UnitedLayer) wrote: On Thu, 13 Nov 2003, Deepak Jain wrote: Maybe I am exceptionally naive, but are DDOSes *REALLY* that consistent between providers to affect month-over-month or quarterly ratios? I know a webhoster/provider who

RE: looking for pull traffic

2003-11-13 Thread Deepak Jain
Maybe I am exceptionally naive, but are DDOSes *REALLY* that consistent between providers to affect month-over-month or quarterly ratios? yes. because if you're a small provider then you only need a small flow to balance yourself. and the 95th percentile cuts both ways. Depending on