the problems being solved -- or not

2005-05-24 Thread Pekka Savola
On Mon, 23 May 2005, Tony Li wrote: Which is EXACTLY why we need to remember that we are NOT trying to come up with the perfect solution. We have operational issues *TODAY* that we are trying to address. - We have people (admittedly accidentally) advertising prefixes that they do not own and

Re: the problems being solved -- or not

2005-05-24 Thread Russ White
Let's look at Tony's points above. These solutions cannot deal with the last case, i.e., the owner of the prefix decides to advertise more specifics (and the ISPs pass that crap through). Then we're left with attacks where someone else advertises an equal route, or someone advertises a

Re: the problems being solved -- or not

2005-05-24 Thread Pete Templin
Pekka Savola wrote: On Mon, 23 May 2005, Tony Li wrote: Which is EXACTLY why we need to remember that we are NOT trying to come up with the perfect solution. We have operational issues *TODAY* that we are trying to address. - We have people (admittedly accidentally) advertising prefixes

Re: the problems being solved -- or not

2005-05-24 Thread Pekka Savola
On Tue, 24 May 2005, Pete Templin wrote: Let's take RIPE, RADB, etc. databases as an example. Apparently we can't count on the ISPs filtering out crap from their customers, because otherwise we'd never have had these attack. Also apparently, we can't count on the transit ISPs from weeding

Re: the problems being solved -- or not

2005-05-24 Thread Tony Li
Pekka, First of all, if you are assuming that NO ISPs make use of prefix filters, then you would be incorrect. There are those that try very hard to make use of such filters. However, we do not have 100% deployment of those filters. Since we will never see 100% deployment of such filters,