Re: [Nanog-futures] [Outages] Outages have an Outage? (fwd)

2008-06-18 Thread Sean Figgins
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's the reason we need list moderators, to CULTIVATE the list and encourage more signal in the postings. I don't know about moderators, but I do think list admins are appropriate. You want someone to watch the list and curtail inappropriate behavior (and

RE: Latest instalment of the hijacked /16s story

2008-06-18 Thread michael.dillon
http://www.47-usc-230c2.org/chapter3.html This time 128.168/16 - and by the same group that seems to have acquired control of the earlier one. luckily, there is no black market in address space. or at least so the theory goes on arin and ripe public policy lists. No, the theory

Re: SMTP no-such-user issues

2008-06-18 Thread Steve Bertrand
Steve Bertrand wrote: Hi everyone, We are experiencing an issue in regards to SMTP MTA relay responses regarding 'no such user', and it *apparently* appears to be only occurring when a particular site attempts to deliver email to us. For the sake of completeness... The problem has been

Re: Latest instalment of the hijacked /16s story

2008-06-18 Thread Jared Mauch
On Jun 18, 2008, at 7:57 AM, Joe Provo wrote: On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 10:59:21PM -0700, Tomas L. Byrnes wrote: [snip] See no evil, hear no evil, fear no evil The (human) operators who cared have been pushed out by the (coprorate) operators who would rather disavow responsibility, turn up

Re: Latest instalment of the hijacked /16s story

2008-06-18 Thread Randy Bush
The (human) operators who cared have been pushed out by the (coprorate) operators who would rather disavow responsibility, turn up quickly, and book the revenue instead of vetting any customer claims for basis in fact or reason. Customer filtering -even when black hats drive an AS- is Not

Re: P2P agents for software distribution - saving the WAN from meltdown?!?

2008-06-18 Thread Adrian Chadd
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008, Christopher Morrow wrote: most of the larger free-nix's do BT downloads on release day(s). Revision3 distributes their content via BT. There were rumors of Disney and Apple moving to BT models for their content distribution at one point as well. random type=idea from

Re: P2P agents for software distribution - saving the WAN from meltdown?!?

2008-06-18 Thread Joe Abley
On 18 Jun 2008, at 10:42, Adrian Chadd wrote: random type=idea from tonight If only there was a way for a SP to run a BitTorrent type service for their clients, subscribing the BT server(s) to known-good (ie, not warez-y) torrents pre-seeded from trusted sources and then leaving it the hell

Re: P2P agents for software distribution - saving the WAN from meltdown?!?

2008-06-18 Thread Warren Kumari
On Jun 18, 2008, at 10:42 AM, Adrian Chadd wrote: On Tue, Jun 17, 2008, Christopher Morrow wrote: most of the larger free-nix's do BT downloads on release day(s). Revision3 distributes their content via BT. There were rumors of Disney and Apple moving to BT models for their content

Re: P2P agents for software distribution - saving the WAN from meltdown?!?

2008-06-18 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 10:52:38AM -0400, Joe Abley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a message of 41 lines which said: The behaviour I have observed with BitTorrent is that clients are handed a relatively short list of potential peers by the tracker, and it's quite common for sensible, close, local

Re: P2P agents for software distribution - saving the WAN from meltdown?!?

2008-06-18 Thread Nathan Ward
On 19/06/2008, at 2:52 AM, Joe Abley wrote: On 18 Jun 2008, at 10:42, Adrian Chadd wrote: random type=idea from tonight If only there was a way for a SP to run a BitTorrent type service for their clients, subscribing the BT server(s) to known-good (ie, not warez-y) torrents pre-seeded from

Re: P2P agents for software distribution - saving the WAN from meltdown?!?

2008-06-18 Thread Blaine Fleming
Christopher Morrow wrote: On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Netfortius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anybody used (and been successful at) a bit-torrent-like agent for fast distribution of LEGAL software (install programs of large-DVD size), across multiple sites, all over the globe, with bad

[NANOG-announce] Reminder - NANOG PC tool is accepting presentations for both NANOG 44 45

2008-06-18 Thread Ren Provo
Hi folks, As mentioned in the NANOG Program Committee call minutes, posted at http://www.nanog.org/pc.nanog44_minutes.html, we are currently accepting presentations for both NANOG44 and NANOG45. Several abstracts have been received for the October meeting and we are going to assume they are

Re: P2P agents for software distribution - saving the WAN from meltdown?!?

2008-06-18 Thread Laird Popkin
To address the original question, there are several p2p companies focusing on optimizing p2p for internal distribution of software and rich media. In particular, Kontiki and Ignite both offer such services, and between the two have many of the Fortune 1000 as customers (Coke, Bank of America,

A pipe dream? [WAS: Re: P2P agents for software distribution - saving the WAN from meltdown?!?]

2008-06-18 Thread John Osmon
On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 10:42:22PM +0800, Adrian Chadd wrote: [...] random type=idea from tonight If only there was a way for a SP to run a BitTorrent type service for their clients, subscribing the BT server(s) to known-good (ie, not warez-y) torrents pre-seeded from trusted sources and then

Re: P2P agents for software distribution - saving the WAN from meltdown?!?

2008-06-18 Thread Justin Shore
Nathan Ward wrote: There was a product around that would keep track of torrents and fudge the tracker responses to direct you to on-net peers where possible. Not sure what it's called. Inline box thing, much like Sandvine, Allot, etc. I imagine you could either inject the details of a local