Re: So why don't US citizens get this?

2008-07-27 Thread Fred Baker
On Jul 27, 2008, at 5:37 AM, Joe Greco wrote: Yes, I do. The free market is a system where corporations like to take the easiest road to do the least work to maximize profits, while everyone else is doing the same thing. Recognizing your biases here, I think an economist might define it

Re: So why don't US citizens get this?

2008-07-27 Thread Dave Crocker
Fred Baker wrote: The key thing in that definition is the lack of government intervention in its various forms. That's D'Arcy's point. Where there is government subsidy, regulation, or other intervention, it cannot be described as a free market. I have always understood the issue to be

Re: So why don't US citizens get this?

2008-07-27 Thread Randy Bush
Mark Foster wrote: deadfake.com offer anonymised email services with no signup. Does this not immediately raise questions in itself? Or am I just unnaturally suspicious of such services? Have to admitt as soon as I see traffic relayed by a system such as that, I stop putting much stock

Re: So why don't US citizens get this?

2008-07-27 Thread Jean-François Mezei
Dave Crocker wrote: I have always understood the issue to be the presence or absence of unfettered competition. Competition is good. It's lack is bad. The problem is that it is rather hard to enable full competitive environment in the last mile. No city, no citizen wants to have 300 wires

RE: So why don't US citizens get this?

2008-07-27 Thread natalidel
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Re: So why don't US citizens get this?

2008-07-27 Thread Colin Alston
On 2008/07/27 10:18 AM Randy Bush wrote: the fact is that real 100m/100m is about USD30/mo in japan. in the states, i pay about USD90 for 256k/768k. as far as the internet is concerned, the united states is a third world country. I currently pay (converted from ZAR to USD) $40/m for

cogent bgp filtering policies?

2008-07-27 Thread John van Oppen
Now that I am on my third round of an email argument with cogent's support department about adding prefixes to our filters (and them not understanding why I want le 24 matches on the blocks from which we allocate subnets to multi-homed customers) I figure it would be a good idea to ask if anyone

Re: So why don't US citizens get this?

2008-07-27 Thread Max Tulyev
Hi All, we are rendering similar (but up to 1Gbps to home) service. This is also very popular in Russia. This type of network is much cheaper to build and much cheaper in maintain than ADSL or CaTV (DOCSIS). The problem is... USERS!!! A regular user just don't understand the difference.

Re: OT: Free Market

2008-07-27 Thread D'Arcy J.M. Cain
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 23:37:09 -0500 (CDT) Joe Greco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem with the free market is that it doesn't work in the public's best interest, but rather in the best interest of the companies involved. Say What? You talk about government mandated monopolies,

Re: So why don't US citizens get this?

2008-07-27 Thread D'Arcy J.M. Cain
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 09:29:38 -0500 (CDT) Joe Greco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The key thing in that definition is the lack of government intervention in its various forms. That's D'Arcy's point. Where there is government subsidy, regulation, or other intervention, it cannot be

Re: So why don't US citizens get this?

2008-07-27 Thread Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr.
D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote: On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 09:29:38 -0500 (CDT) Joe Greco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The key thing in that definition is the lack of government intervention in its various forms. That's D'Arcy's point. Where there is government subsidy, regulation, or other intervention, it

Re: Software router state of the art

2008-07-27 Thread Tony Finch
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008, Dorn Hetzel wrote: Ok, it's probably a stupid question, but given the relative ease of putting 4gb+ ram on a 64bit platform, could packet per second performance be improved by brute forcing the route lookup as an array of 1 byte destination interface indexes for a

Admin: Offtopic Political Threads

2008-07-27 Thread Simon Lyall
List members are reminder that the NANOG List Acceptable Use Policy states that: 6. Postings of political, philosophical, and legal nature are prohibited. The current thread on the Free Market and So why don't US citizens get this? appears to be solely political and should be moved elsewhere.

Re: cogent bgp filtering policies?

2008-07-27 Thread Paul Wall
Cogent does not support IRR. Since you're using IRR yourself, Richard Steenbergen's IRRPT (irrpt.sf.net) has a script called 'irrpt_nag' which is good for sending automated requests for prefix-list updates with providers that continue to process them manually. You can (and should) ask that

RE: cogent bgp filtering policies?

2008-07-27 Thread John van Oppen
That software might be a good solution for sending them updates, heck a script sending it out every time it detects an update might also cause them to get more excited about automating updates. ;) We also had issues with them wanting a paper (or faxed) LOA which seemed a bit onerous given the

Re: Admin: Offtopic Political Threads

2008-07-27 Thread Paul Wall
Simon, Sorry to steer this in a different direction, but could you please tell us a bit about the new MLC's plans for suspending habitual off-topic posters in violation of the three strikes rule, such as Gadi Evron and Larry Sheldon? Paul On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Simon Lyall [EMAIL

Re: Admin: Offtopic Political Threads

2008-07-27 Thread Simon Lyall
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008, Paul Wall wrote: Sorry to steer this in a different direction, but could you please tell us a bit about the new MLC's plans for suspending habitual off-topic posters in violation of the three strikes rule, such as Gadi Evron and Larry Sheldon? That question is off-topic

Re: Admin: Offtopic Political Threads

2008-07-27 Thread Gadi Evron
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008, Paul Wall wrote: Simon, Sorry to steer this in a different direction, but could you please tell us a bit about the new MLC's plans for suspending habitual off-topic posters in violation of the three strikes rule, such as Gadi Evron and Larry Sheldon? can you take your