On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 11:15:49PM -0400, Deepak Jain wrote:
A coop, best-effort switch fabric colo'd at a few sites would allow
participants to peer off traffic at a price of the order of a single
cross-connect (~$500/month per 10G port is possible, maybe less),
private-VLANs all-around,
Deepak,
If it were as easy as you make it sound, I can assure you people would
be doing it.
Also, does your Equinix MSA contain a non-compete clause, which could
be interpreted to mean you can't run a competing IX (metro fabric,
exchange, whatever) out of their facilities? I hear many do.
Hello everyone,
Elections for three of the six elected positions on the NANOG Steering
Committee will be held in October 2008. The currently-serving Steering
Committee members whose terms are expiring are Joe Provo, Randy Bush and
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Are dups generated on traffic going over that DS3 from (rather than to) the
Ocala side?
Does the DS3 cross Sprint's network?
Then we noticed the really weird stuff. Pings to anything in Ocala
responded with multiple dupes and ttl exceeded messages from a Level3 IP.
Traceroutes to
On Aug 12, 2008, at 3:37 AM, Paul Wall wrote:
If it were as easy as you make it sound, I can assure you people would
be doing it.
People are. I (and others) mentioned SIX TorIX, plus I mentioned
PaNAP. Then there's AtlantaIX, although that recently got slurped by
TelX. (Hrmmm, could
Yes you are absolutely correct. Smaller players doing this for fun and
experimentation if not only a good idea, I believe it is critical for the
internet to grow and change. Ask UUNET how long it takes them to get
approval to implement something bigor even small.
Two pts thought. First, the
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Are dups generated on traffic going over that DS3 from (rather than to)
the Ocala side?
The dupes are only generated in the Orlando-Ocala direction.
Does the DS3 cross Sprint's network?
The DS3 enters an Embarq (the telco formerly known as
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 10:11:13AM -0400, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
Several small IXes have grown quite a bit with no or very small
membership fees. Look at the ones I mentioned. I think SIX is the
largest, but they're all not that tiny.
TorIX, for many years, was financed by announcing
I guess they would be more interesting deployed in Ashburn or some place
similar because you could exclude the cost of bringing traffic to the
exchange if the equipment (and bits) are already transported through
that facility.
Certainly there are some of us who would see this as
Speaking of AtlantaIX, the new business model seems less attractive for
customers than the old one. Can anyone speak to why it got sold? Was it
failing financially or someone just wanted to cash out?
On 8/12/08, Patrick W. Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Aug 12, 2008, at 3:37 AM, Paul
On Aug 12, 2008, at 10:23 AM, David Diaz wrote:
Second, I have heard a lot of talk about SIX over the last year or
so and there is no guarantees that situation won't change.
As a board member of SIX, I can tell you that we are not going away
any time soon.
--
TTFN,
patrick
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On 12 Aug 2008, at 04:15, Deepak Jain wrote:
A coop, best-effort switch fabric colo'd at a few sites would
allow participants to peer off traffic at a price of the order of a
single cross-connect (~$500/month per 10G port is possible, maybe
less)
Most of the Internet Exchanges in Europe
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
Could one of the dangers of a coop be borg'ed by for-profit
entity looking to rip out every cent they can?
That's one of the reasons many of them incorporate as non-profits...
Under the tax laws of most countries, the U.S. and
-Original Message-
From: Bill Woodcock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 12:33 PM
To: Patrick W. Gilmore
Cc: NANOG list
Subject: Re: Coop Peering Fabric??
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
Could one of the dangers of a coop be
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008, Paul Wall wrote:
If it were as easy as you make it sound, I can assure you people would
be doing it.
Yup, they are. There are a bit over three hundred IXPs in the world,
about eighty of them in the U.S., and the vast majority of them were built
by ISPs
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tons of others exist, in big and little markets. There's one in 365 Main
SF, there's KleyReX in the same building as DE-CIX, Big APE in 111 8th, NYCx
there too, ChicagoIX just opened, etc., etc.
Excellent point on
Paul Wall wrote:
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tons of others exist, in big and little markets. There's one in 365 Main
SF, there's KleyReX in the same building as DE-CIX, Big APE in 111 8th, NYCx
there too, ChicagoIX just opened, etc., etc.
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Deepak Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is there a more appropriate place for interested parties to discuss the
possible creation of such a beast in the WDC area? I know we have about a
lot of optical capacity we could help contribute to a stake in the ground
Paul Wall wrote:
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Deepak Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is there a more appropriate place for interested parties to discuss the
possible creation of such a beast in the WDC area? I know we have about a
lot of optical capacity we could help contribute to a stake
On Aug 12, 2008, at 5:06 PM, Deepak Jain wrote:
Is there a more appropriate place for interested parties to discuss
the possible creation of such a beast in the WDC area? I know we
have about a lot of optical capacity we could help contribute to a
stake in the ground between Equinix/Ash
Matt Liotta wrote:
On Aug 12, 2008, at 5:06 PM, Deepak Jain wrote:
Is there a more appropriate place for interested parties to discuss
the possible creation of such a beast in the WDC area? I know we have
about a lot of optical capacity we could help contribute to a stake in
the ground
On Aug 12, 2008, at 6:17 PM, Deepak Jain wrote:
There are lots of providers that can do connectivity between Any2
and Equinix. It has been suggested privately that some Equinix MSAs
may prevent this sort of thing. In fact, to prevent this sort of
thing, I suggested providing x-connects
Matt
Any2 is open to support any initiative that will reinforce development of
networks and creativity within the Internet-connected community. There have
been somewhat successful initiatives at locations such as the SIX to
interconnect exchange points, and Any2 is open to contributing to
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008, Martin Hannigan wrote:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008, Bill Woodcock wrote:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
Could one of the dangers of a coop be borg'ed by for-profit
entity looking to rip out every cent they can?
That's one of the reasons many of them
Hi,
The outgoing packets from traceroute are sent towards the destination
using UDP and very high port numbers, typically in the range of 32,768
and higher. This is because no one is gernally expected to run UDP
services up there, so when the packet finally reaches the destination,
traceroute can
On Aug 12, 2008, at 7:54 PM, Glen Kent wrote:
The outgoing packets from traceroute are sent towards the destination
using UDP and very high port numbers, typically in the range of 32,768
and higher. This is because no one is gernally expected to run UDP
services up there, so when the packet
Michael - good points all, and saved me typing out a reply.
Additionally, using up the RFC1918 space isn't the only problem ... the
previously mentioned collision problems between so-called private networks
become more and more likely (until almost guaranteed).
Only nit:
In any case,
That's one of the reasons many of them incorporate as non-profits...
Under the tax laws of most countries, the U.S. and Canada included,
non-profits are legaly protected against acquisition by for-profits.
Do any of these operations post their tax returns online?
-M
They might be
That's one of the reasons many of them incorporate as non-profits...
Under the tax laws of most countries, the U.S. and Canada included,
non-profits are legaly protected against acquisition by for-profits.
Do any of these operations post their tax returns online?
In the US, every non-profit
On Aug 12, 2008, at 4:48 PM, Paul Wall wrote:
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tons of others exist, in big and little markets. There's one in
365 Main
SF, there's KleyReX in the same building as DE-CIX, Big APE in 111
8th, NYCx
there too,
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 2:33 AM, Patrick Giagnocavo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Turning nanog into a rehash of digg's technology section or the front page
of news.com reduces nanog's utility.
--Patrick
Are you saying that all network professionals should read digg or news.com?
:-)
Btw, slashdot
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