Re: community real-time BGP hijack notification service

2008-09-13 Thread Nathan Ward
On 13/09/2008, at 5:48 PM, Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote: Arnaud de Prelle wrote: I think that most of us (me included) are already using it but the problem is that they don't have BGP collectors everywhere in the world. This is in fact a generic issue for BGP monitoring. In this case it's

Re: community real-time BGP hijack notification service

2008-09-13 Thread Matthew Moyle-Croft
Nathan Ward wrote: On 13/09/2008, at 5:48 PM, Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote: Arnaud de Prelle wrote: I think that most of us (me included) are already using it but the problem is that they don't have BGP collectors everywhere in the world. This is in fact a generic issue for BGP monitoring. In

Re: community real-time BGP hijack notification service

2008-09-13 Thread Randy Bush
i am occasionally asked if there have been real bgp attacks (not slips). the answer is, of course yes, but there are none which can be publicly described. when bucks and embarrassment are involved, security through obscurity seems to rule. but tony and alex did us an enormous favor by publicly

Re: community real-time BGP hijack notification service

2008-09-13 Thread Nathan Ward
On 13/09/2008, at 7:21 PM, Randy Bush wrote: i am occasionally asked if there have been real bgp attacks (not slips). the answer is, of course yes, but there are none which can be publicly described. when bucks and embarrassment are involved, security through obscurity seems to rule. but

Re: New Intercage upstream

2008-09-13 Thread Andrew Clover
Marco d'Itri wrote: Look at what else this AS is announcing: Cernel, UkrTeleGroup and Inhoster are all aliases of Esthost. These are their blocks that are physically operated by Intercage, so it's not surprising they're to be found together. PIE is another colo operation housed at the same

Re: New Intercage upstream

2008-09-13 Thread Lamar Owen
On Saturday 13 September 2008 06:11:25 Marco d'Itri wrote: Interested parties can consult http://www.bofh.it/~md/drop-stats.txt (randomly updated, I am still looking for a permanent home for it) for a detailed list of who is announcing the networks listed in SBL DROP, what else they announce

Re: New Intercage upstream

2008-09-13 Thread Gadi Evron
On Sat, 13 Sep 2008, Andrew Clover wrote: Marco d'Itri wrote: Look at what else this AS is announcing: Cernel, UkrTeleGroup and Inhoster are all aliases of Esthost. These are their blocks that are physically operated by Intercage, so it's not surprising they're to be found together. PIE is

Re: Identifying when netblocks have been assigned

2008-09-13 Thread Bill Woodcock
On Sat, 13 Sep 2008, Frank Bulk wrote: Perhaps there's no answer to this, or it's obvious and I ought to know. How can I find out when ARIN or the applicable registry has assigned a block to a certain organization, and I don't know the block, just the organization.

Re: Identifying when netblocks have been assigned

2008-09-13 Thread Bill Woodcock
On Sat, 13 Sep 2008, Bill Woodcock wrote: Those are both very simple reports to run from PCH's existing databases and data-feeds. By that, I mean that they could be run daily, and specific results emailed to people who were interested in following the allocation patterns for

RE: Identifying when netblocks have been assigned

2008-09-13 Thread Frank Bulk
When I do that it lists the organization's AS, but not any netblocks associated with that AS. Frank -Original Message- From: Jake Mertel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 10:50 AM To: Frank Bulk Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Identifying when netblocks have

Re: Identifying when netblocks have been assigned

2008-09-13 Thread Bill Woodcock
On Sat, 13 Sep 2008, Bill Woodcock wrote: By that, I mean that they could be run daily, and specific results emailed to people who were interested in following the allocation patterns for specific organizations, any time there was a match. Following up on my own post for

RE: Identifying when netblocks have been assigned

2008-09-13 Thread Frank Bulk
Ok, so not so simple. =) I'm not familiar with the layout of PCH's data (I did find some .gz files, so I presume that's the data that's gathered on a daily basis), but if I was, I would have to take the divide-and-conquer approach for a certain AS to find out when a block was first announced.

RE: Identifying when netblocks have been assigned

2008-09-13 Thread Frank Bulk
No problem, I had my coffee 2 hours ago. 1) I would prefer e-mail, and ideally on-demand querying from a web form. And even more pie in the sky, something like Google Trends (i.e. http://www.google.com/trends?q=hurricane+katrinactab=0geo=alldate=all) that shows the quantity of IP addresses that

RE: ingress SMTP

2008-09-13 Thread Frank Bulk
How do you alert mail server operators who are smarthosting their e-mail through you that their outbound messages contain spam? Frank -Original Message- From: Matthew Moyle-Croft [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 12:41 AM To: Bill Stewart Cc: nanog@nanog.org

Re: Cisco uRPF failures

2008-09-13 Thread Brandon Ewing
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 08:11:28PM +0300, Saku Ytti wrote: Sound like these shops are using 3550 as router, which is common for smaller shops, especially in EU. And indeed, 3550 would not do uRPF. (3560E does). Are you sure? According to the IOS guide for 3560E/3750E, ip verify is still

Re: Identifying when netblocks have been assigned

2008-09-13 Thread Stephen Sprunk
Frank Bulk wrote: When I do that it lists the organization's AS, but not any netblocks associated with that AS. Frank -Original Message- From: Jake Mertel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Frank, Add the operator in front of the organizations ARIN ID when you do your WHOIS query and it

Re: Cisco uRPF failures

2008-09-13 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2008-09-13 13:26 -0500), Brandon Ewing wrote: Hey Brandon, Are you sure? According to the IOS guide for 3560E/3750E, ip verify is still an unsupported interface command. I don't have a 3560E handy to test on, but I know that a non-E 3560 refuses it with a notice regarding how

Re: ingress SMTP

2008-09-13 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 11:38 PM, Frank Bulk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you alert mail server operators who are smarthosting their e-mail through you that their outbound messages contain spam? Frank If those are actual mailservers smarthosting and getting MX from you then you doubtless

Re: ingress SMTP

2008-09-13 Thread *Hobbit*
How do you alert mail server operators who are smarthosting their e-mail through you that their outbound messages contain spam? You don't let them falsify their envelope or headers to contain fields utterly unrelated to your own infrastructure, for starters. They try it, their mail

Re: ingress SMTP

2008-09-13 Thread Matthew Moyle-Croft
*Hobbit* wrote: How do you alert mail server operators who are smarthosting their e-mail through you that their outbound messages contain spam? You don't let them falsify their envelope or headers to contain fields utterly unrelated to your own infrastructure, for starters. They try it,

RE: ingress SMTP

2008-09-13 Thread Frank Bulk
Apologies for not being more clear, because I see the responses going in tangents I hadn't expected. Most anti-spam products drop the connection or issue some kind of rejection message during the SMTP exchange. If the connection is dropped, the subscriber's MTA/MUA will likely try and try again