Re: Gigabit Linux Routers

2008-12-18 Thread Chris
Thanks to the list again. There's lots more options than I'd considered. I think it's likely that I'll stick with what I know, which is Linux not FreeBSD and Quagga. The lack of a need to learn new stuff is the my main motivation behind this because I'm unlikely to break things as frequently.

Re: Gigabit Linux Routers

2008-12-18 Thread Eugeniu Patrascu
Chris wrote: Now to look at very affordable layer 2, Gigabit 3com switches with good pps. You should take a look at HP. They have very good gigabit switches and also offer lifetime guarantee on them. HP actually has a CLI to configure the switch, not the crap 3Com has.

Re: Gigabit Linux Routers

2008-12-18 Thread Jeroen Wunnink
This might be of some use, it's a document written by one of the AMS-IX engineers, it's a little aged (almost 2 years old) so there should be some improvement in the numbers, but it might give you some insight in the bottlenecks when pushing a Linux server to it's max (10Gigabit in this case)

Re: Gigabit Linux Routers

2008-12-18 Thread Ingo Flaschberger
Dear Chris, One final quick question on the NICs if I can. Following Mike's suggestion about specific Intel chipsets (82575 or 82576) it looks like it's much easier to source the chipsets mentioned by David (82571EB). If these NICs are embedded on the motherboard is it going to be of

Re: Gigabit Linux Routers

2008-12-18 Thread Eugeniu Patrascu
Ingo Flaschberger wrote: OS: Freebsd: pros: very stable, quagge runs very well, fastforwarding support, simple traffic shaping, interrupt less polling supported cons: only 1 route for each network, vrrp failover is not easy to implement with quagga and ospf, no multipath routing Linux:

Re: Gigabit Linux Routers

2008-12-18 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Dec 18, 2008, at 4:13 AM, Jeroen Wunnink wrote: This might be of some use, it's a document written by one of the AMS- IX engineers, it's a little aged (almost 2 years old) so there should be some improvement in the numbers, but it might give you some insight in the bottlenecks when

Re: Gigabit Linux Routers

2008-12-18 Thread Colin Alston
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ingo Flaschberger wrote: cons: only 1 route for each network, vrrp failover is not easy to implement with quagga and ospf, no multipath routing Anyone cares about VRRPD when you have Heartbeat? Linux: pros: more than 1 route for each network

Re: Gigabit Linux Routers

2008-12-18 Thread Florian Weimer
* Alex Thurlow: Depending on your WAN interface, there's actually a decent amount of stuff out there. The cheaper alternative to me has actually always been to get some old cisco hardware with the proper interfaces and use it for media conversion. I have a 6500 with Sup1As in it. It can't

Re: Gigabit Linux Routers

2008-12-18 Thread Etaoin Shrdlu
Eugeniu Patrascu wrote: Chris wrote: Now to look at very affordable layer 2, Gigabit 3com switches with good pps. You should take a look at HP. They have very good gigabit switches and also offer lifetime guarantee on them. HP actually has a CLI to configure the switch, not the crap

Re: Gigabit Linux Routers

2008-12-18 Thread David Coulson
Ingo Flaschberger wrote: Multipath, yes, but flow-based, not per packet. There exists a patch for 2.4 kernel, but not for 2.6 Or tinker with iptables. And last I checked, even with multiple 'nexthop' entries, it still wasn't smart enough to drop a route if you lose an interface.

Re: Gigabit Linux Routers

2008-12-18 Thread Chris
One final query for this thread if I may. Our hardware provider has come back with this as an 'easy to source build' in case we want two or three identical boxes: Supermicro X7SBI-LN2 motherboard with 2 x Intel 82573V/L gigabit PCI-Express NICs Does anyone have experience of these NICs before I

Re: Gigabit Linux Routers

2008-12-18 Thread Adam Crosby
On Dec 18, 2008, at 4:00 AM, Eugeniu Patrascu wrote: Chris wrote: Now to look at very affordable layer 2, Gigabit 3com switches with good pps. You should take a look at HP. They have very good gigabit switches and also offer lifetime guarantee on them. HP actually has a CLI to

Re: Gigabit Linux Routers

2008-12-18 Thread Michael 'Moose' Dinn
Not to defend 3Com or anything, but all of their enterprise stuff (for quite a few years now) has an extremely similar CLI to IOS. Came out very shortly after they got involved with Huawei. If you're already familiar with 3com enterprise gear, check out the 4200G series for cheap L2

Arbor vs Narus comparison?

2008-12-18 Thread andy lam
Recently I've been searching for something that is comparable to Arbor to see what else is out there.  Someone suggested Narus.   Anyone out there have an opinion regarding the 2 applications and their differences?  Or another application that is worth noting?   I am currently using Arbor

RCN dns contact

2008-12-18 Thread Jan Schaumann
Hi, If there's somebody from RCN on this list who I can talk to about their DNS (specifically about records that are too large for UDP and fall back to TCP), please contact me. Thanks, -Jan pgpwbzESDAjBY.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Gigabit Linux Routers

2008-12-18 Thread Joe Greco
I have posted thos off-list, for the list: http://www.lannerinc.com/DM/FW-7550_DM.pdf pros: cheap, cf-disk support, low power (~50W) cf-disk support is pretty easy to add to lots of things. With the advent of 4GB compact flash modules and CF-to-IDE adapters, it is not too hard to avoid

Re: Gigabit Linux Routers

2008-12-18 Thread Ingo Flaschberger
Dear Joe, Several different traffic shaping strategies are available, and I think all of them go far beyond simple. ipfw 100 add pipe 1 all from 192.168.0.0/24 to any xmit vlan1 ipfw pipe 1 config bw 95Mbit/s queue 200Kbytes thats simple. cons: only 1 route for each network, vrrp failover

RE: Gigabit Linux Routers

2008-12-18 Thread Soucy, Ray
We spent a good amount of time looking into deploying a home-grown Linux-based CPE device over the summer. Generally, Linux is not the issue with performance. You want to focus on your hardware. We've seen the best performance with Intel MT series PCI-X server NICs. When we were testing the

Re: Gigabit Linux Routers

2008-12-18 Thread Bruce Robertson
Imagestream does nice work as well. Soucy, Ray wrote: If all you're looking for is basic routing though, it might be worthwhile just getting a Vyatta appliance. begin:vcard fn:Bruce Robertson n:Robertson;Bruce org:Great Basin Internet Services, Inc adr:;;241 Ridge St Ste

What is the most standard subnet length on internet

2008-12-18 Thread 정치영
Hi everyone, I'm going to rebuild IP allocation policy of my company and I am looking for some standard reference for my policy. I have already studied some standard like RFC1518, RIPE181, RFC2050 and I got it is very important to maintain hierachy structure. However, what I am really wondering

Re: What is the most standard subnet length on internet

2008-12-18 Thread Randy Bush
On 08.12.19 11:40, 정치영 wrote: what is the most standard subnet length that always can be guaranteed through Internet. less than /24 bit ? nothing can always be guaranteed in life or the internet. but /24s do seem to be fairly widely used. so they probably work for the folk announcing them.

Re: What is the most standard subnet length on internet

2008-12-18 Thread Mike Lyon
Chiyong, Check out: http://bgp.potaroo.net/bgprpts/rva-index.html Since you are on nanog, you probably get the CIDR-REPORT every Friday but if not, go surf around at http://www.cidr-report.org Cheers, Mike On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 6:40 PM, 정치영 lion...@samsung.com wrote: Hi everyone, I'm

Re: What is the most standard subnet length on internet

2008-12-18 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Dec 18, 2008, at 9:40 PM, 정치영 wrote: Hi everyone, I'm going to rebuild IP allocation policy of my company and I am looking for some standard reference for my policy. I have already studied some standard like RFC1518, RIPE181, RFC2050 and I got it is very important to maintain hierachy

Re: What is the most standard subnet length on internet

2008-12-18 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Chi Young, let me clarify one thing here .. Do you mean IP allocation as in subnet allocation, swipping in apnic or through a rwhois server etc? Or do you mean what is the minimum subnet size I can announce on the internet and have other providers not drop it on the floor? srs On Fri, Dec 19,

Re: Re: What is the most standard subnet length on internet

2008-12-18 Thread 정치영
Suresh, Yes, I guess my concern is close to the second meaning. It seems so simple. Currently annoucement of /24 seems to be okey, most upstream providers accept this. However I wonder if there is any ground rule based on any standard or official recommandation. If there is some standardized

Fwd: Re: Re: What is the most standard subnet length on internet

2008-12-18 Thread 정치영
You have to change your server's IP address if you want move your server to other place - It is very natural case, but some customer could think of it will be okey to move if they have C class. but I have different idea. because the border router of that center is annoucing more greater IP

RE: Re: What is the most standard subnet length on internet

2008-12-18 Thread Darryl Dunkin
In general, announce what you are allocated from the RIR. The minimum allocation from you will see is a /24. A couple examples: http://www.arin.net/reference/ip_blocks.html#ipv4 https://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-ncc-managed-address-space.html If you are allocated a /22, announce the /22. Do

Re: Re: What is the most standard subnet length on internet

2008-12-18 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Even if a longer prefix like a /24 is announced, chances of people accepting it is slim. Especially, as you say, if the RIR allocation is something larger than /24 And I have a feeling acceptance /24 route announcements of anything other than legacy classful space, infrastructure space like the

Re: What is the most standard subnet length on internet

2008-12-18 Thread bmanning
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 02:40:47AM +, l l9l wrote: However, what I am really wondering is what is the most standard subnet length that always can be guaranteed through Internet. less than /24 bit ? while one can get away w/ /24s (if that is all one has) for many places,