Its pretty easy to assign a Creative Commons license to the work and
share it, for example. What could the possible objections be?
Best,
Marty
On 4/9/09, Joel Jaeggli joe...@bogus.com wrote:
Martin Hannigan wrote:
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Joe Provo nanog-...@rsuc.gweep.net
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Joel Jaeggli joe...@bogus.com wrote:
So, in the distant past we (there are several we's in this case)
experimentally deployed IDSes and or inline sniffers with the permission
of merit staff under the requirement that all the data collected be
destroyed when
Not to turn this into an ethical typ discussion but this arguement would have
to assume you could sue the telco not the 'vandal' due to a loss of life if it
occured, and that, that dollar amt would be greater then 'securing' all cables.
The cost to fix all pintos' gas tanks was only $11 per
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I've really got ask if this thread has run it's course.
Given the nature of earlier discussions of off-topic issues, I think we've
pretty much jumped the shark with people's personal anecdotes of how to
disable fiber connectivity.
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Ravi Pina wrote:
Also not to get sensationalist, but less expensive than a life that
could be lost if an emergency call can't be put through?
Remember the exploding Ford Pinto?
http://www.calbaptist.edu/dskubik/pinto.htm
deles...@gmail.com wrote:
Not to turn this into an ethical typ discussion but this arguement
would have to assume you could sue the telco not the 'vandal' due to
a loss of life if it occured, and that, that dollar amt would be
greater then 'securing' all cables.
Internet lawyering is a
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SAN JOSE (CBS 5 / KCBS / AP / BCN) -- Vandals severed multiple fiber optic
cables on Thursday, leaving thousands of people in Santa Clara, Santa Cruz
and San Benito counties without cell phone, Internet and landline service,
Hi All,
Over the past couple of days we have been seeing an exponential increase
(about 200-fold)
in the amount of UDP SIP Control traffic in our netflow data. The past 24
hours, for example, has shown a total of nearly 300 GB of this traffic
incoming and over 400 GB outgoing -- this despite
Legally speaking, we can't grab packets in this sense without a specific
validated complaint, court orders, and that kind of thing... So all we
can do in the the absence of a specific complaint is in the context of our
day to day traffic analysis from the netflow data to identify anomalies..
On Apr 10, 2009, at 4:45 PM, Leland E. Vandervort wrote:
UDP SIP Control traffic in our netflow data.
Have you grabbed some packets in order to ensure it's actually SIP,
vs. something else on the same ports?
If it really is SIP-related, this could be caused by botted hosts
launching a
On Apr 10, 2009, at 5:32 PM, Leland E. Vandervort wrote:
legally speaking, we can't grab packets in this sense without a
specific
validated complaint, court orders, and that kind of thing...
IANAL, but I suggest you check again with your legal department - I
doubt this is actually the
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009, Roland Dobbins wrote:
IANAL, but I suggest you check again with your legal department - I
doubt this is actually the case (your jurisdiction may vary, but in
most Western nations, you can grab packets for diagnostic/
troubleshooting/forensics purposes).
Already did
to answer your question, as opposed to telling you how to run your
business, yes. we are seeing a low level, distributed source, sip
probing across a wide swath of target space. it goes back a long time.
randy
* Christopher Morrow:
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Steven M. Bellovin s...@cs.columbia.edu
wrote:
http://www.darkreading.com/securityservices/services/data/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=216403220
This is different from ATM or FRAME or Private lines how? In the end,
MPLS is just a
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1 - AS6389 331960 4.2% 75.6 -- BELLSOUTH-NET-BLK -
BellSouth.net Inc.
2 - AS2386
This report has been generated at Fri Apr 10 21:13:42 2009 AEST.
The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router
and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table.
Check http://www.cidr-report.org for a current version of this report.
Recent Table History
Date
On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 20:07:05 -0500
jamie rishaw j...@arpa.com wrote:
It's amusing to see the media's (misdirected) focus on the event.
Expected : MULTIPLE COORDINATED FIBER CUTS TAKE OUT 911, PHONE, CELL,
INTERNET TO TENS OF THOUSANDS
Google News: ATT uses Twitter ...
Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
http://www.darkreading.com/securityservices/services/data/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=216403220
So 2001 (*), slide 46+ here:
http://www.securite.org/presentations/secip/BHUS-IPBackboneSecurity.pdf
(*) this slide deck is from a talk we've given in 2002 (and contains
Modification to VPN labels in MPLS is interesting however it assumes
that providers have exposed their core network to customers. Traffic
can be injected into different MPLS VPNs by modifying vpn labels but
this is not a trivial attack scenario. For one thing, it would mean
the attacker
Sounds to me like an ongoing dispute may be close to the bottom of this.
http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2009/04/06/att-union-contract-expires-threat-to-cap-ex/
ATT's answer is to place a $100k bounty on the vandals.
The other Bob
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 01:51:16 EDT, Ravi Pina said:
Also not to get sensationalist, but less expensive than a life that
could be lost if an emergency call can't be put through?
The alarm that goes off saying the lid got opened is only 2 minutes before the
big red alarm that says you just lost 5
Hello;
I work with FEC in various ways, mostly to protect video streams
against packet loss, including as co-chair
of the IETF FECFRAME WG and in the Video Services Forum. Most FEC is
driven by congestion in the edge, RF issues on wireless LANs, etc.,
but there is always
the chance of loss
On Apr 10, 2009, at 11:03 AM, Marshall Eubanks wrote:
I work with FEC in various ways, mostly to protect video streams
against packet loss, including as co-chair
of the IETF FECFRAME WG and in the Video Services Forum. Most FEC is
driven by congestion in the edge, RF issues on wireless LANs,
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009, Marshall Eubanks wrote:
What level of packet loss would trigger response from network operators
? How bad does a sustained packet loss need to be before it is viewed as
a problem to be fixed ? Conversely, what is a typical packet loss
fraction during periods of good
Its all risk and cost. You possibly couldn't have spent enough to stop
this event. The outside plant wasn't at fault, highly motivated and
informed individuals were. Pretty much a non issue, IMHO.
Best,
Martin
On 4/9/09, Charles Wyble char...@thewybles.com wrote:
Seriously though I want to
The reward is effective and the one of the best uses of their funds in
responding to this event. More outside plant spending is not effective
when you are dealing with motivated individuals.
I'd like to reemphasize that you can't spend enough on outside or
inside plant to stop this type of thing.
Roland Dobbins wrote:
On Apr 9, 2009, at 11:48 PM, Lee, Steven (NSG Malaysia) wrote:
Please share your thought and thanks in advance :)
No, IMHO. Most broadband operators don't insert firewalls inline in
front of their subscribers, and wireless broadband is no different.
Some operators
Le 11 avr. 09 à 00:03, Marshall Eubanks a écrit :
What level of packet loss would trigger response from network
operators ? How bad does a sustained packet loss need
to be before it is viewed as a problem to be fixed ? Conversely,
what is a typical packet loss fraction during periods
of
at least this year its been changed from Terrorists to Vandals.
(when most likley, its over-aggressive metals recyclers who have
run out of catalitic converters to steal...)
--bill
On Apr 10, 2009, at 12:57 PM, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote:
at least this year its been changed from Terrorists to Vandals.
(when most likley, its over-aggressive metals recyclers who have
run out of catalitic converters to steal...)
I didn't see a smiley.
And I seriously doubt metal
On Apr 9, 2009, at 6:04 PM, Charles Wyble wrote:
3) From what I understand it's not trivial to raise a manhole cover.
Most likely can't be done by one person. Can they be locked? Or were
the carriers simply relying on obscurity/barrier to entry?
Your understanding is incorrect. I'm an
Marshall Eubanks wrote:
If there is some consensus around this, it would effectively set an
upper bound for the need for FEC in network transit.
The bit error rate of copper is better than 1 error in 10^9 bits. The
bit error rate of fiber is better than 1 error in 10^12 bits. So the
packet
On Apr 10, 2009, at 12:37 PM, Daryl G. Jurbala wrote:
3) From what I understand it's not trivial to raise a manhole
cover. Most likely can't be done by one person. Can they be locked?
Or were the carriers simply relying on obscurity/barrier to entry?
Your understanding is incorrect.
Charles Wyble wrote:
So allow me to think out loud for a minute
1) Why wasn't the fiber protected by some sort of hardened/locked
conduit? Is this possible? Does it add extensive cost or hamper normal
operation?
Cost, both in implementing (what are likely to be easily-circumvented)
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore patr...@ianai.netwrote:
I didn't see a smiley.
And I seriously doubt metal recyclers are going 10 feet down into man
holes, breaking into locked cabinets, cutting _fiber_optic_ cables (not
copper), and doing it in exactly the right points
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 2:02 AM, deles...@gmail.com wrote:
Not to turn this into an ethical typ discussion but this
Maybe it's an ethical issue, with an ethical solution.
Random news article from google:
Workers are seeking to preserve the health care benefit packages, said
Libby
On Apr 10, 2009, at 2:00 PM, Steven M. Callahan wrote:
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore
patr...@ianai.netwrote:
I didn't see a smiley.
And I seriously doubt metal recyclers are going 10 feet down into man
holes, breaking into locked cabinets, cutting _fiber_optic_ cables
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On 10/04/09 03:32, John Martinez wrote:
BT Americas?
Oh dear, and just after BT suffered a big cut in London. Who needs
vandals when there's contractors about?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04/08/bt_hole_hits_vodafone/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23919...@n00/3426407496/
On Friday 10 April 2009 13:43:26 Matthew Kaufman wrote:
The bit error rate of copper is better than 1 error in 10^9 bits. The
bit error rate of fiber is better than 1 error in 10^12 bits. So the
packet loss rate of the transport media is approximately zero.*
This sounds pretty good, until you
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:00:38 EDT, Steven M. Callahan said:
The average copper thief normally isn't intelligent enough to know the
difference between black PVC clad copper and black PVC clad fiber until they
cut it.
I wish I still had the link to the pictures - one company in Europe was laying
Lamar Owen wrote:
On Friday 10 April 2009 13:43:26 Matthew Kaufman wrote:
The bit error rate of copper is better than 1 error in 10^9 bits. The
bit error rate of fiber is better than 1 error in 10^12 bits. So the
packet loss rate of the transport media is approximately zero.*
This sounds
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009, Lamar Owen wrote:
This sounds pretty good, until you realize that it means you can expect
36 errors in 10 hours on a 100% utilized gigabit fiber link.
Well, it means this is still ok according to standard. In real life, if
you engineer your network to be within the
Your right about having the right tools whats a manhole hook cost $50
-carlos
-Original Message-
From: Daryl G. Jurbala [mailto:da...@introspect.net]
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:37 AM
To: Charles Wyble
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Outside plant protection, fiber cuts, interwebz
I've had pretty good luck when necessary using a large screwdriver,
a claw hammer, or a small crow-bar.
I know others who claim it can be done with a spade, pick-axe,
etc. although I have not tested those implements.
Owen
On Apr 10, 2009, at 12:05 PM, Carlos Alcantar wrote:
Your right about
George William Herbert wrote:
Scott Doty wrote:
(Personally, I can think of a MAE-Clueless episode that was worse than
this, but that was in the 90's...)
The gas main strike out front of the building in Santa Clara?
Or something else?
-george william herbert
gherb...@retro.com
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From: Ravi Pina r...@cow.org
To: Charles Wyble char...@thewybles.com
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: Outside plant protection, fiber cuts, interwebz down oh noes!
2) Why didn't an alarm go off that someone had entered the
On a side note, when I was passing the area this morning at around
10am PDT, there were two fiber-trailers working in two separate
manholes.
This is probably the result of having to splice in a new section of
fiber, since it would probably have been difficult to splice the ends
of
Hi folks,
I am trying to compile data on which providers are currently supporting
BGP Flowspec at their edge, if there are any at all. The few providers
I've reached out to have indicated they do not support this and have no
intention of supporting this any time in the near future. I'm also
On Apr 10, 2009, at 3:41 PM, Scott Doty wrote:
George William Herbert wrote:
Scott Doty wrote:
(Personally, I can think of a MAE-Clueless episode that was
worse than this, but that was in the 90's...)
The gas main strike out front of the building in Santa Clara?
Or something else?
Fouant, Stefan wrote:
Hi folks,
I am trying to compile data on which providers are currently supporting
BGP Flowspec at their edge, if there are any at all. The few providers
I've reached out to have indicated they do not support this and have no
intention of supporting this any time in
Hi folks,
I am trying to compile data on which providers are currently supporting
BGP Flowspec at their edge, if there are any at all. The few providers
I've reached out to have indicated they do not support this and have no
intention of supporting this any time in the near future. I'm also
Fouant, Stefan wrote:
Hi folks,
I am trying to compile data on which providers are currently supporting
BGP Flowspec at their edge, if there are any at all. The few providers
I've reached out to have indicated they do not support this and have no
intention of supporting this any time in the
On Apr 10, 2009, at 4:27 PM, Fouant, Stefan
stefan.fou...@neustar.biz wrote:
Hi folks,
I am trying to compile data on which providers are currently
supporting
BGP Flowspec at their edge, if there are any at all. The few
providers
I've reached out to have indicated they do not support
On Apr 10, 2009, at 12:05 PM, Carlos Alcantar wrote:
Your right about having the right tools whats a manhole hook cost $50
Less than half that. http://www.toolup.com/condux/08023000.html
--
Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - j...@impulse.net
Impulse Internet Service -
On Apr 10, 2009, at 12:05 PM, Carlos Alcantar wrote:
Your right about having the right tools whats a manhole hook cost $50
Less than half that. http://www.toolup.com/condux/08023000.html
And maybe even less than half *that*. You don't actually need the tool
in many cases. A good bit of
In my experience it's vendor support that is lacking, not provider
support
On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 6:08 AM, Fouant, Stefan
stefan.fou...@neustar.bizwrote:
Hi folks,
I am trying to compile data on which providers are currently supporting
BGP Flowspec at their edge, if there are any at
I am trying to compile data on which providers are currently
supporting BGP Flowspec at their edge, if there are any at all. The
few providers I've reached out to have indicated they do not support
this and have no intention of supporting this any time in the near
future. I'm also curious
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 6:38 PM, John Payne j...@sackheads.org wrote:
On Apr 10, 2009, at 4:27 PM, Fouant, Stefan stefan.fou...@neustar.biz
wrote:
Hi folks,
I am trying to compile data on which providers are currently supporting
BGP Flowspec at their edge, if there are any at all. The
I'm confussed, but please pardon the ignorance.
All the data centers we have are at minimum keys to access
data areas. Not that every area of fiber should have such, but
at least should they? Manhole covers can be keyed. For those of
you arguing that this is not enough, I would say at least
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