*SNIP*
located ten feet down a manhole on
Monterey Highway, north of Blossom Hill Road in San Jose.
Authorities also found two other locations where fiber optic cables were
similarly cut -- near Hayes Avenue and Cottle Road in San Jose
*SNIP*
Just for clarification, these locations are one in
Jo¢ wrote:
I'm confussed, but please pardon the ignorance.
All the data centers we have are at minimum keys to access
data areas. Not that every area of fiber should have such, but
at least should they? Manhole covers can be keyed. For those of
you arguing that this is not enough, I
Jo¢ wrote:
I'm confussed, but please pardon the ignorance.
All the data centers we have are at minimum keys to access
data areas. Not that every area of fiber should have such, but
at least should they? Manhole covers can be keyed. For those of
you arguing that this is not enough, I
On Apr 11, 2009, at 12:54 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 6:38 PM, John Payne j...@sackheads.org
wrote:
On Apr 10, 2009, at 4:27 PM, Fouant, Stefan stefan.fou...@neustar.biz
wrote:
Hi folks,
I am trying to compile data on which providers are currently
Once upon a time, Jo¢ jbfixu...@gmail.com said:
Yes if enough time goes by anything can happen, but how can one
argue an ATM machince that has (at times) thousands of dollars stands
out 24/7 without more immediate wealth. Perhaps I am missing
something here, do the Cops stake out those areas?
* Joe Greco:
The ATM machine is somewhat protected for the extremely obvious reason
that it has cash in it, but an ATM is hardly impervious.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P8WM8ZZDHk
Heh. Once you install ATMs into solid walls, the attacks get a tad
more interesting. In some places of
On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Florian Weimer f...@deneb.enyo.de wrote:
* Joe Greco:
The ATM machine is somewhat protected for the extremely obvious reason
that it has cash in it, but an ATM is hardly impervious.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P8WM8ZZDHk
Heh. Once you install ATMs
The best protecion is good engineering taking advantage of
technologies and architecures
available since long time ago at any of the different network layers.
Why network operators/carriers don't do it ?, it's another issue and
most of the time
is a question of bottom line numbers for which there
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 10:20:35 + (GMT)
Leland E. Vandervort lel...@taranta.discpro.org wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009, Roland Dobbins wrote:
IANAL, but I suggest you check again with your legal department - I
doubt this is actually the case (your jurisdiction may vary, but in
most
On Saturday 11 April 2009 08:31:55 Joe Greco wrote:
Speaking of that, a manhole cover is
typically protecting some hole, accessway, or vault that's made out of
concrete.
An oxyacetylene torch or a plasma cutter will slice through regular steel
manhole covers in minutes.
You can cut the
You can cut the concrete, too, for that matter, with oxyacetylene, as long as
you wear certain protective gear. We have a few vault covers here that are
concrete covering the largest vaults we have. You need more than a manhole
hook to get one of those covers up.
And when you think you
Jo? wrote:
I'm confussed, but please pardon the ignorance.
All the data centers we have are at minimum keys to access
data areas. Not that every area of fiber should have such, but
at least should they? Manhole covers can be keyed. For those of
you arguing that this is not enough, I would say at
The real problem is route redundancy. This is what the original contract
from DARPA to BBM, to create the Internet, was about!
s/DARPA/ARPA/; s/BBM/BBN/; s/Internet/ARPAnet/.
BBN won the contract to build the first four IMPs.
Theory and research about it is older, look at:
On Saturday 11 April 2009 08:31:55 Joe Greco wrote:
Speaking of that, a manhole cover is
typically protecting some hole, accessway, or vault that's made out of
concrete.
An oxyacetylene torch or a plasma cutter will slice through regular steel
manhole covers in minutes.
Yes, but we
-Original Message-
From: Jared Mauch [mailto:ja...@puck.nether.net]
Can you name 3 major vendors who support it? I suspect more
providers would
juniper... and when they dropped the IPR stuff other vendors
basically
walked away :(
Causing consultations with lawyers by
Now I realize that FlowSpec isn't a panacea, but it certainly meets some
of the requirements that many customers have today, and it gives us a
lot more flexibility over simply destination based filtering. Whether
it's FlowSpec or something else, what's it going to take to get the
vendors and
On Sat, 11 Apr 2009, Roger Marquis wrote:
The real problem is route redundancy. This is what the original contract
from DARPA to BBM, to create the Internet, was about! The net was
created to enable communications bttn point A and point B in this exact
scenario.
Uh, not exactly. There was
Anyone know how banks in the Bay Area did through this? I wonder how many
banks went dark and whether they had any backup plans/connectivity. Me
thinks its doubtful.
I also wonder if the bigger pharmacies such as Longs, Walgreens, Rite-Aid,
Etc had thought about these kinds of issues? I
While OT the news reports indicated ATMs were offline and many credit card
processing machines were down. This is no big shock because many ATM
networks are on frame relay and POS credit card machines use POTS lines.
The outage also impacted mobile service too if it hadn't been said.
I hope we
Mike Lyon wrote:
Anyone know how banks in the Bay Area did through this? I wonder how many
banks went dark and whether they had any backup plans/connectivity. Me
thinks its doubtful.
...
Because of the loss of the alarm systems, many banks went to a method
where only one or two people were
Don't really care so much about the bank's security, especially if it was
one that received some the bailout money :)
I was more worried about if people could make withdraws from their bank
accounts. Deposits they could do as they could enter them in later but
withdraws I think would be
Sean Donelan wrote:
Uh, not exactly. There was diversity in this case, but there was also
N+1 breaks. Outside of a few counties in the Bay Area, the rest of
the country's telecommunication system was unaffected. So in that
sense the system worked as designed.
About eight or ten
On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Joe Greco jgr...@ns.sol.net wrote:
On Saturday 11 April 2009 08:31:55 Joe Greco wrote:
Speaking of that, a manhole cover is
typically protecting some hole, accessway, or vault that's made out of
concrete.
An oxyacetylene torch or a plasma cutter will slice
I know as far as att/sbc/pacbell a lot of the time they run the ring
within the same conduit to at least have hardware protection on the
circuit I'm sure it's the same with other providers.
-carlos
-Original Message-
From: Roy [mailto:r.engehau...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 11,
Jorge Amodio wrote:
s/DARPA/ARPA/; s/BBM/BBN/; s/Internet/ARPAnet/.
/DARPA/ARPA/ may be splitting hairs. According to
http://www.livinginternet.com/i/ii_roberts.htm
DARPA head Charlie Hertzfeld promised IPTO Director Bob Taylor a million
dollars to build a distributed communications
Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com writes:
and I also would ask.. what's the cost/risk here? 'We' lost at best
~1day for some folks in the outage, nothing global and nothing
earth-shattering... This has happened (this sort of thing) 1 time in
how many years? Expending $$ and time and
An easy way to describe what your saying is Security by obscurity is
not security
On Apr 11, 2009, at 8:31 AM, Joe Greco wrote:
Jo¢ wrote:
I'm confussed, but please pardon the ignorance.
All the data centers we have are at minimum keys to access
data areas. Not that every area of fiber
Roger Marquis wrote:
Why didn't the man in the street pharmacy have its own backup plans?
I assume they, as most of us, believed the government was taking care of
the country's critical infrastructure. Interesting how well this
illustrates the growing importance of the Internet vis-a-vis
On Sat, 11 Apr 2009, Lamar Owen wrote:
The locking covers I have seen here put the lock(s) on the inside cover cam
jackscrew (holes through the jackscrew close to the inside cover seal rod
nut), rather than on the outside cover, thus keeping the padlocks out of the
weather.
I'm starting to
An easy way to describe what your saying is Security by obscurity is
not security
Yes and no. From a certain point of view, security is almost always
closely tied to obscurity.
A cylinder lock is simply a device that operates through principles that
are relatively unknown to the average
Joe Greco wrote:
My point was more the inverse, which is that a determined, equipped,
and knowledgeable attacker is a very difficult thing to defend against.
The Untold Story of the World's Biggest Diamond Heist published
recently in Wired was a good read on that subject:
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