RE: Ahoy, SLA boffins!

2009-07-29 Thread Andreas, Rich
Bill, To be brief, but hopefully not too fleeting, the majority of the standards orgs - ITU, MEF - use packet loss to derive availability. Loss% = the % of packets which were transmitted but not received by the destination host. As for availability, loss is measured across some time period. If

Re: Ahoy, SLA boffins!

2009-07-29 Thread Leo Bicknell
I think the desired goal here is to separate the access SLA from the backbone SLA. That is, consider a simple picture: Network Cloud--Provider Edge Router-Local Loop-Customer Router Network availability is the % of the time the customer router and provider edge router can

Cisco Security Advisory: Cisco IOS Software Border Gateway Protocol 4-Byte Autonomous System Number Vulnerabilities

2009-07-29 Thread Cisco Systems Product Security Incident Response Team
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Cisco Security Advisory: Cisco IOS Software Border Gateway Protocol 4-Byte Autonomous System Number Vulnerabilities Advisory ID: cisco-sa-20090729-bgp http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/707/cisco-sa

Re: Ahoy, SLA boffins!

2009-07-29 Thread Michael Dillon
Now, having said all that, and having been one of the people who've attempted to communicate sane, rational, technical ideas to marketing and legal the chance that anything sane made it in the actual contract is, well, nil. I disagree. If someone takes the trouble to publish a technical

RE: OT: Voice Operators' Group forming

2009-07-29 Thread Hiers, David
Hi All, We're making progress... I registered the domains voiceops.org and voiceops.net. No matter what the final name becomes, at least we've got some domains that aren't too hard on the eyes. Some noble souls have already volunteered to host it on a proper mailman server. Nothing is set

RE: Ahoy, SLA boffins!

2009-07-29 Thread Holmes,David A
We use the BRIX active measurement system (BRIX now owned by EXFO) which gathers round trip time, packet loss, and jitter randomly every minute 24x7x365 for our major backbone links to calculate SLAs. Network Availability can be measured empirically using BRIX calculated values of packet loss, and

Re: Ahoy, SLA boffins!

2009-07-29 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:34 AM, Bill Woodcockwo...@pch.net wrote: Am I over-thinking this? The SLA's I've looked at promise me that if their service is hard down for a week (with no ambiguity whatsoever) they'll credit my bill for upwards of 2% of the $50k/year or so I spend on the Internet

Re: Ahoy, SLA boffins!

2009-07-29 Thread JC Dill
William Herrin wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:34 AM, Bill Woodcockwo...@pch.net wrote: Am I over-thinking this? The SLA's I've looked at promise me that if their service is hard down for a week (with no ambiguity whatsoever) they'll credit my bill for upwards of 2% of the $50k/year

Re: Ahoy, SLA boffins!

2009-07-29 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 4:19 PM, JC Dilljcdill.li...@gmail.com wrote: William Herrin wrote: The SLA's I've looked at promise me that if their service is hard down for a week (with no ambiguity whatsoever) they'll credit my bill for upwards of 2% of the $50k/year or so I spend on the Internet

Re: OT: Voice Operators' Group forming

2009-07-29 Thread Jason LeBlanc
Brandon Butterworth wrote: NAVOG works for me. I'd prefer Voice Operators' Group Online Network brandon *claps*

Re: OT: Voice Operators' Group forming

2009-07-29 Thread Chris Meidinger
On 29.07.2009, at 22:52, Jason LeBlanc wrote: Brandon Butterworth wrote: NAVOG works for me. I'd prefer Voice Operators' Group Online Network brandon *claps* Imagine the poetry you have to listen to when _those_ guys put you on hold...

Re: Subnet Size for BGP peers.

2009-07-29 Thread Nathan Ward
On 30/07/2009, at 7:59 AM, Jim Wininger wrote: I have a question about the subnet size for BGP peers. Typically when we turn up a new BGP customer we turn them up on a /29 or a /30. That seems to be the norm. We connect to many of our BGP peers with ethernet. It would be a simple

RE: Subnet Size for BGP peers.

2009-07-29 Thread Paul Stewart
/29's here for everyone great for troubleshooting and any future additions typically required...;) -Original Message- From: Jim Wininger [mailto:jbot...@gmail.com] Sent: July 29, 2009 4:00 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Subnet Size for BGP peers. I have a question about the subnet

Re: Subnet Size for BGP peers.

2009-07-29 Thread Benjamin Billon
Imagine two of your clients are competitors, they probably don't want to be on the same IP range. And yes, when you sell your service to several customers, you don't want one of them blowing up all the other's SLA. IXs use /24, as far as I know, and peers connected there can usually use md5

Re: Dan Kaminsky

2009-07-29 Thread andrew.wallace
--- On Wed, 7/29/09, Scott Weeks sur...@mauigateway.com wrote: From: Scott Weeks sur...@mauigateway.com Subject: Re: Fwd: Dan Kaminsky To: andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 10:10 PM --- andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote:

Re: Fwd: Dan Kaminsky

2009-07-29 Thread Randy Bush
LAS VEGAS — Two noted security professionals were targeted this week by hackers who broke into their web pages, stole personal data and posted it online on the eve of the Black Hat security conference. boring. randy

Re: Fwd: Dan Kaminsky

2009-07-29 Thread Andrew D Kirch
Randy Bush wrote: LAS VEGAS — Two noted security professionals were targeted this week by hackers who broke into their web pages, stole personal data and posted it online on the eve of the Black Hat security conference. boring. randy Two noted security professionals, and

Re: Fwd: Dan Kaminsky

2009-07-29 Thread Randy Bush
LAS VEGAS — Two noted security professionals were targeted this week by hackers who broke into their web pages, stole personal data and posted it online on the eve of the Black Hat security conference. boring. Two noted security professionals, and Kevin Mitnick, whom no one gives a damn

Re: Subnet Size for BGP peers.

2009-07-29 Thread Barton F Bruce
- Original Message - From: Jim Wininger jbot...@gmail.com To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 3:59 PM Subject: Subnet Size for BGP peers. I have a question about the subnet size for BGP peers. Typically when we turn up a new BGP customer we turn them up on a /29 or a

Re: Subnet Size for BGP peers.

2009-07-29 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Benjamin Billon wrote: Who knows any other good way to lose IP addresses? I know how to not lose them: int lo30 ip address 192.168.0.1 255.255.255.0 int gi2.10 encap dot1q 10 desc cust 1 ip address unnumbered lo30 int gi2.11 encap dot1q 11 desc cust 2 ip address