Re: Resilience - How many BGP providers

2009-11-12 Thread Tore Anderson
* a...@baklawasecrets.com - I could ask the question as to whether I can peer with separate routers on each of the upstreams. i.e. to protect against router failures on their side. If you're getting transit from two different upstreams, you're pretty much guaranteed to be connected to two

qos 3560

2009-11-12 Thread Bogdan
hello i am playing with qos on some devices - cisco 3560 - cisco 7609 and i have some things that i don't seem to understand. 1. in 3560, i enable mls qos, on the ingress port applyed policy map, classify the packets with acl, mark, all good. on the egress ports i use srr-queue with shape/share,

Re: Gig Throughput on IPSEC

2009-11-12 Thread Florian Weimer
On second thoughts, thinking about this I am probably looking for some kind of Layer2 encryption devices.  This will make things a lot easier for the deployment.  Any experiences, thoughts on these types of devices, would be much appreciated. You could use OpenVPN, but that would be

Re: qos 3560

2009-11-12 Thread Brian Feeny
You should make sure that any links that go between devices have trust set. In your case if your doing DSCP, then make sure each link that goes between devices which must carry tagged packets have trust dscp set. Brian On Nov 12, 2009, at 5:11 AM, Bogdan wrote: hello i am playing with

Re: Performance to and from Japan (who to connect to?)

2009-11-12 Thread bmanning
KDDI, NTT, and WIDE are all on or adjacent to LAIIX. if you hit those, your pretty much covered. --bill On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:34:24PM -0800, Operations wrote: Greetings, Im sure someone here is GREAT with connecting to Japan so I ask the following: We have a POP in 600 West

Re: qos 3560

2009-11-12 Thread Bogdan
hello indeed, a fellow nanoger gave me this hint. 1. i had to enable mls qos globally in network switches 2. set the mls qos trust dscp on the uplinks (ingress port) thanks ps thanks to andrey.gordon too :) On 11/12/2009 03:21 PM, Brian Feeny wrote: You should make sure that any links

Re: qos 3560

2009-11-12 Thread Scott Morris
Look at show mls qos map to see the defaults that may be rewriting your information depending on trust (or non-trust) mechanisms you have configured. If you trust CoS, a frame received with cos5 and dscp46 will get rewritten to dscp 40 with default maps... show mls qos interface (intf) is also

Spyware and Antivirus detection increase

2009-11-12 Thread Elijah Savage
All, This may not be the right audience but I do not know of a better set of experts to ask this question. We monitor antivirus and spyware activity very close on our desktop and laptop environment. Often you can correlate this activity with an increase in bandwidth. The bandwidth is not an

Re: Minimum IPv6 size

2009-11-12 Thread Grzegorz Janoszka
Christian Seitz wrote: There ist also a loose and a strict filter recommendation by Gert Doering [1], but the strict filter is very strict at the moment. It allows only /48s from RIPEs IPv6 PI space 2001:678::/29 for example, although RIPE currently also assignes /47 or /46 from this range. Also

ESPN360 Access

2009-11-12 Thread Chris Gotstein
We've been getting more and more requests for ESPN360 from our customers. From what i understand, ESPN requires that the ISP subscribe to their content and pay a fee to do so. I have been unable to find much information on what it takes to subscribe and what the fees are to do so. Does anyone

Re: Resilience - How many BGP providers

2009-11-12 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:18:20AM -0800, Steve Gibbard wrote: If you have three components, the chances of all three being broken at once are even less than the chances of two of them being broken at once. With four, you're even safer, and so on and so forth. But once you get beyond two,

Layer 2 vs. Layer 3 to TOR

2009-11-12 Thread Raj Singh
Guys, I am wondering how many of you are doing layer 3 to top of rack switches and what the pros and cons are. Also, if you are doing layer 3 to top of rack do you guys have any links to published white papers on it? Thanks, Raj Singh

RE: Layer 2 vs. Layer 3 to TOR

2009-11-12 Thread Paul Stewart
We are heading towards that type of deployment beginning next year with Juniper EX4200 switches in a redundant configuration. This will be pure Layer2 in nature on the switches and they will uplink to Juniper M10i's for layer3... the power savings, space savings etc over traditional Cisco 6500

Re: Layer 2 vs. Layer 3 to TOR

2009-11-12 Thread Steve Feldman
On Nov 12, 2009, at 2:48 PM, Raj Singh wrote: Guys, I am wondering how many of you are doing layer 3 to top of rack switches and what the pros and cons are. Also, if you are doing layer 3 to top of rack do you guys have any links to published white papers on it? Dani Roisman gave an

RE: Layer 2 vs. Layer 3 to TOR

2009-11-12 Thread Raj Singh
We are actually looking at going Layer 3 all the way to the top of rack and make each rack its own /24. This provides us flexibility when doing maintenance (spanning-tree). Also, troubleshooting during outages is much easier by using common tools like ping and trace routes. I want to make sure

Re: Layer 2 vs. Layer 3 to TOR

2009-11-12 Thread Seth Mattinen
Steve Feldman wrote: On Nov 12, 2009, at 2:48 PM, Raj Singh wrote: Guys, I am wondering how many of you are doing layer 3 to top of rack switches and what the pros and cons are. Also, if you are doing layer 3 to top of rack do you guys have any links to published white papers on it?

Re: Layer 2 vs. Layer 3 to TOR

2009-11-12 Thread Brandon Ewing
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 12:19:36PM -0800, Seth Mattinen wrote: I'd always wondered how you make a subnet available across racks with L3 rack switching. It seems that you don't. ~Seth It's possible, with prior planning. You can have the uplinks be layer 2 trunks, with a layer 3 SVI in the

Re: What DNS Is Not

2009-11-12 Thread Florian Weimer
* David Ulevitch: On 11/11/09 12:48 PM, Florian Weimer wrote: Since people need to *explicitly* choose using the OpenDNS servers, I can hardly see how anybody's wishes are foisted on these people. If you don't like the answers you get from this (free) service, you can of course choose to

RE: Layer 2 vs. Layer 3 to TOR

2009-11-12 Thread Bulger, Tim
If you use stackable switches, you can stack across cabinets (up to 3 with 1 meter Cisco 3750 Stackwise), and uplink on the ends. It's a pretty solid layout if you plan your port needs properly based on NIC density and cabinet size, plus you can cable cleanly to an adjacent cabinet's switch if

Re: Layer 2 vs. Layer 3 to TOR

2009-11-12 Thread Brandon Galbraith
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Bulger, Tim tim_bul...@polk.com wrote: If you use stackable switches, you can stack across cabinets (up to 3 with 1 meter Cisco 3750 Stackwise), and uplink on the ends. It's a pretty solid layout if you plan your port needs properly based on NIC density and

Re: Layer 2 vs. Layer 3 to TOR

2009-11-12 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 12/11/2009 20:40, Bulger, Tim wrote: Slightly off-topic.. Consider offloading 100Mb connections like PDUs, DRAC/iLO, etc. to lower cost switches to get the most out of your premium ports. Not just that, you can also use lower cost switches to move your management fully out-of-band with

Re: Layer 2 vs. Layer 3 to TOR

2009-11-12 Thread David Coulson
Seth Mattinen wrote: I'd always wondered how you make a subnet available across racks with L3 rack switching. It seems that you don't. You could route /32s within your L3 environment, or maybe even leverage something like VPLS - Not sure of any TOR-level switches that MPLS pseudowire a port

Re: Layer 2 vs. Layer 3 to TOR

2009-11-12 Thread Malte von dem Hagen
Hej, Am 12.11.2009 21:04 Uhr schrieb Raj Singh: We are actually looking at going Layer 3 all the way to the top of rack and make each rack its own /24. what a waste of IPs and unnecessary loss of flexibility! This provides us flexibility when doing maintenance (spanning-tree). If you use a

Re: Layer 2 vs. Layer 3 to TOR

2009-11-12 Thread David Coulson
Raj Singh wrote: We are actually looking at going Layer 3 all the way to the top of rack and make each rack its own /24. This provides us flexibility when doing maintenance (spanning-tree). Also, troubleshooting during outages is much easier by using common tools like ping and trace routes. I'm

Re: Layer 2 vs. Layer 3 to TOR

2009-11-12 Thread Jonathan Lassoff
Excerpts from David Coulson's message of Thu Nov 12 13:07:35 -0800 2009: You could route /32s within your L3 environment, or maybe even leverage something like VPLS - Not sure of any TOR-level switches that MPLS pseudowire a port into a VPLS cloud though. I was recently looking into this

Re: Layer 2 vs. Layer 3 to TOR

2009-11-12 Thread David Coulson
Jonathan Lassoff wrote: I was recently looking into this (top-of-rack VPLS PE box). Doesn't seem to be any obvious options, though the new Juniper MX80 sounds like it can do this. It's 2 RU, and looks like it can take a DPC card or comes in a fixed 48-port GigE variety. The MX-series are

Re: Layer 2 vs. Layer 3 to TOR

2009-11-12 Thread Malte von dem Hagen
Hi, Am 12.11.2009 22:29 Uhr schrieb Jonathan Lassoff: Are there any applications that absolutely *have* to sit on the same LAN/broadcast domain and can't be configured to use unicast or multicast IP? yes. There are at least some implementations of iSCSI and the accompanying management

RE: Layer 2 vs. Layer 3 to TOR

2009-11-12 Thread George Bonser
I believe the issue will become a moot point in the next 12 months when vendors begin to ship switches with TRILL. TRILL is basically a layer 2 routing protocol that will replace spanning tree. It will allow you to connect several uplinks, utilize all the bandwidth of the uplinks, prevent loops,

RE: Layer 2 vs. Layer 3 to TOR

2009-11-12 Thread George Bonser
I believe TRILL will render this discussion moot. It should be shipping on gear from various vendors within the next year. -Original Message- From: Malte von dem Hagen [mailto:m...@hosteurope.de] Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 1:09 PM To: Raj Singh Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re:

Re: Layer 2 vs. Layer 3 to TOR

2009-11-12 Thread Łukasz Bromirski
On 2009-11-12 22:37, David Coulson wrote: The MX-series are pretty nice. That should be able to do VPLS PE, however I've never tried it - MX240 did it pretty well last time I tried. I've no clue how the cost of that switch compares to a cisco 4900 or something (not that a 4900 is anything

Re: Failover how much complexity will it add?

2009-11-12 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Randy Bush wrote: It has been routinely observed in nanog presentations that settlement free providers by their nature miss a few prefixes that well connected transit purchasing ISPs carry. just trying to understand what you mean, o no transit-free provider actually has all (covering)

Re: What DNS Is Not

2009-11-12 Thread Paul Vixie
Kevin Oberman ober...@es.net writes: I find it mildly amusing that my first contact with Paul was about 25 years ago when he was at DEC and I objected to his use of a wildcard for dec.com. I was only an egg. The situations are not parallel and the Internet was a very different animal in

RE: What DNS Is Not

2009-11-12 Thread Warren Bailey
Well, If it counts Paul, thanks for vixie cron. ;) -Original Message- From: Paul Vixie [mailto:vi...@isc.org] Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 4:58 PM To: na...@merit.edu Subject: Re: What DNS Is Not Kevin Oberman ober...@es.net writes: I find it mildly amusing that my first

Re: Layer 2 vs. Layer 3 to TOR

2009-11-12 Thread Olof Kasselstrand
I would suggest doing a VC with the TOR switches. That way you can have one switch for a lot of racks (I believe 10 would be the upper limit if using Juniper). If you have a VC you could do L3 and L2 where needed on every rack that the VC covers. // Olof 2009/11/13 Łukasz Bromirski