On Tue, 2010-02-09 at 07:06 +0100, Serge Radovcic wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5837LcDHfE
Excellent production. Sometimes it's hard for those who have been so
involved in maintaining the grounds to describe what the forest looks
like to common folk.
Perhaps as a followup to this
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010, Jake Khuon wrote:
Excellent production.
... but still an advertisement for use of IXPs instead of private peering
or alike. I'd say it contains several factual errors or at least omittance
of important factors (settlement free peering in other ways than IXPs, for
On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 09:55 +0100, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010, Jake Khuon wrote:
Excellent production.
... but still an advertisement for use of IXPs instead of private peering
or alike. I'd say it contains several factual errors or at least omittance
of important
On 10/02/2010, at 5:01 AM, Jeffrey Lyon wrote:
If you don't need UDP, disallow it to your entire network or to the
/xx where such is applicable. We have basic filters like this with our
carriers upstream and have prevented several Gbps of traffic from ever
hitting our filters as a result.
Mark Scholten (mark) writes:
Hello,
I am also working on creating a IP address management tool (including
changing rDNS), of course it should work with IPv4 and IPv6. If someone is
interested in it, please mail me (so I know I have to inform him/her when I
release it). If there are certain
On Feb 10, 2010, at 3:55 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010, Jake Khuon wrote:
Excellent production.
... but still an advertisement for use of IXPs instead of private peering or
alike. I'd say it contains several factual errors or at least omittance of
important factors
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
And no, omittance of important factors is not a factual error in a 5
minute video of a wide and amazingly complex topic.
I guess we can agree to disagree then. I think it's highly biased towards
promoting IXPs, and it gives the impression that
On 2/10/2010 7:55 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
On Feb 10, 2010, at 3:55 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010, Jake Khuon wrote:
Excellent production.
I'll go with that.
... but still an advertisement for use of IXPs instead of private peering or
alike. I'd say it contains
Larry Sheldon wrote:
That is definitely the best answer--if you don't like it, do one (at
your expense of time and other resources) that you like better.
Zzz.
I think I am probably a member of the target audience, and I though it
was great (and recommended it to other folk).
I like it
On 02/10/2010 09:46 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
But one factual error for instance, a TCP session (a picture being
transfrred) doesn't take multiple paths, that's just wrong to say so. So
showing a picture being chopped up in packets and sent over different
paths, well that just doesn't
You mentioned this was a student network. Could it be your students are running
bit torrent clients and your ISP doesn't like that so they are rate limiting
you? This might explain why apple loads and facebook doesn't. I do not know
much about facebooks architecture, but I would guess they
On Feb 10, 2010, at 9:46 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
And no, omittance of important factors is not a factual error in a 5
minute video of a wide and amazingly complex topic.
I guess we can agree to disagree then. I think it's highly biased
On Feb 10, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Jay Ess wrote:
I think I am probably a member of the target audience, and I though it
was great (and recommended it to other folk).
I like it for what it was. But i agree with Mike's points.
This video is something i could show my mother when she asks how the
On 10/02/2010 14:46, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
I guess we can agree to disagree then. I think it's highly biased
towards promoting IXPs,
Uh, it was produced and paid for by IXPs for the intention of promoting
IXPs. Why do you have an issue with this?
and it gives the impression that private
On 2/10/2010 9:28 AM, Jay Ess wrote:
So, for example, if i don't like how a car works i must be able to build
a car to be allowed to voice my opinion?
How much did you pay for the video?
--
Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to
take everything you have.
On 2/10/2010 9:42 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
Not everyone who works on the Internet is a routing engineer.
I(including some who bill themselves as such.
But that is for a different rant.
--
Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to
take everything you have.
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From: Jay Ess [mailto:li...@netrogenic.com]
Sent: 10 February 2010 15:29
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: The Internet Revealed - A film about IXPs v2.0: now available
So, for example, if i don't like how a car works i must be able to build
a car to be allowed to
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 09:56:25AM -0600, Larry Sheldon wrote:
On 2/10/2010 9:28 AM, Jay Ess wrote:
So, for example, if i don't like how a car works i must be able to build
a car to be allowed to voice my opinion?
How much did you pay for the video?
What does that matter? Whether you
Please contact me off list.
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James Smith
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http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-02-10/google-plans-to-build-high-speed-fiber-optic-networks-update2-.html
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/02/think-big-with-gig-our-experimental.html
What do folks think?
Granted it's very early on, and g00g
On 2/10/2010 12:30, Charles N Wyble wrote:
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-02-10/google-plans-to-build-high-speed-fiber-optic-networks-update2-.html
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/02/think-big-with-gig-our-experimental.html
What do folks think?
Optimistic view: It can force the
I think it's great!
I've been preparing to float a similar idea locally.
If this is how they use their market cap, I would love for them to do it in my
local market, which does seem to hold a near-and-dear place in the heart of
some google C* types.
- Jared
* Local details/breakdown:
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote:
On 2/10/2010 12:30, Charles N Wyble wrote:
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-02-10/google-plans-to-build-high-speed-fiber-optic-networks-update2-.html
On 2/10/2010 12:30, Charles N Wyble wrote:
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-02-10/google-plans-to-build-high-s
peed-fiber-optic-networks-update2-.html
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/02/think-big-with-gig-our-experiment
al.html
What do folks think?
Residential computers with
I'm really interested in their distribution ideas, as well as the
bottleneck from the Google network to the rest of the internet.
Ah, who am I kidding, it's not like anyone cares about the rest of the
internet, right?
--Matt
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Charles N Wyble
* David Hubbard:
Residential computers with enough bandwidth to DoS
hosting providers; that should be fun.
How is this different from a typical dorm network?
(Perhaps with all that P2P filtering software in place,
it's a mere self-DoS nowadays, but the analogy was not
that far off five years
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Jared Mauch wrote:
I think it's great!
I've been preparing to float a similar idea locally.
If this is how they use their market cap, I would love for them to do it in
my local market, which does seem to hold a near-and-dear place in the
From: Florian Weimer [mailto:f...@deneb.enyo.de]
* David Hubbard:
Residential computers with enough bandwidth to DoS
hosting providers; that should be fun.
How is this different from a typical dorm network?
(Perhaps with all that P2P filtering software in place,
it's a mere self-DoS
On Feb 10, 2010, at 4:15 PM, Matt Simmons wrote:
I'm really interested in their distribution ideas, as well as the
bottleneck from the Google network to the rest of the internet.
Ah, who am I kidding, it's not like anyone cares about the rest of the
internet, right?
The WSJ says: In an
Le mercredi 10 février 2010 à 15:53 +, Nick Hilliard a écrit :
On 10/02/2010 14:46, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
I guess we can agree to disagree then. I think it's highly biased
towards promoting IXPs,
Uh, it was produced and paid for by IXPs for the intention of promoting
IXPs. Why
I am doing some researchis there a way to find out where there is
dark fiber and who own's it?
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James Jones wrote:
I am doing some researchis there a way to find out where there is
dark fiber and who own's it?
In California I have had the best success with environmental impact
reports from he public utility commission office.
Your
On 2/9/10 3:43 PM, Matthew Palmer wrote:
Turned out that the DNS responses from OpenDNS (they were in a
cafe somewhere with free wireless that was using OpenDNS) were giving
slightly wrong addresses -- like the real address for example.com was
192.0.2.12, and OpenDNS was giving the response that
On Feb 10, 2010, at 5:08 PM, James Jones wrote:
I am doing some researchis there a way to find out where there is dark
fiber and who own's it?
You may be better off asking nznog if it's local to you (or your email).
- Jared
On Feb 10, 2010, at 4:57 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote:
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Jared Mauch wrote:
I think it's great!
I've been preparing to float a similar idea locally.
If this is how they use their market cap, I would love for them to do it in
my local market,
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 5:03 PM, Steven Bellovin s...@cs.columbia.edu wrote:
On Feb 10, 2010, at 4:15 PM, Matt Simmons wrote:
I'm really interested in their distribution ideas, as well as the
bottleneck from the Google network to the rest of the internet.
Ah, who am I kidding, it's not like
Maybe they're getting their Ideas from the Irish :). Magnet (www.magnet.ie)
does a similar thing which started over four years ago. They offer fiber to
the home and you can use it for triple-play.
I believe when they started the offering, the bandwidth was (initially
intended to be) limited only
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Jared Mauch wrote:
On Feb 10, 2010, at 4:57 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote:
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Jared Mauch wrote:
I think it's great!
I've been preparing to float a similar idea locally.
If this is how they use their
Hi Jared
You can now nominate your community
http://www.google.com/appserve/fiberrfi/public/options
Regards
Abdul
On 2/10/10 2:18 PM, Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net wrote:
On Feb 10, 2010, at 4:57 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote:
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On Wed, 10 Feb 2010, Charles N Wyble wrote:
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-02-10/google-plans-to-build-high-speed-fiber-optic-networks-update2-.html
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/02/think-big-with-gig-our-experimental.html
What do folks think?
Wonderful move - might breath life
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I honestly wonder if they will use ipv4 or ipv6 for their rollout...
Could be interesting to watch!
Hopefully both. This could be one of the first large scale, dual stacked
offerings to end users. There is of course Comcast who recently
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010, Charles N Wyble wrote:
announced a v6 beta, and impulse.net for folks in the SoCal region. Not
sure of any other CLEC types offering v6, but if you are speak up!
I suspect you're more likely to find regional ISPs offering v6 than CLECs.
The latter seem driven by the sale
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From: Abdulkadir Egal ae...@cisco.com
You can now nominate your community
http://www.google.com/appserve/fiberrfi/public/options
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When you select 'nominate your community' you're taken to a 'create an account'
page.
On Feb 10, 2010, at 11:50 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
Agree to disagree is right. The film is called The Internet Revealed:
_A_film_about_IXPs_. You find it strange that the film would actually
focus on IXPs. I find it strange that you
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010, Scott Weeks wrote:
When you select 'nominate your community' you're taken to a 'create an
account' page. I doubt they'd consider Sunset Beach on the North Shore
of Oahu Hawaii anyway. That's kinda out there... ;-)
No but maybe Kailua (home of Obama's western
Residential computers with enough bandwidth to DoS
hosting providers; that should be fun. Maybe it will
encourage the incumbant ISP's to start offering users
meaningful bgp communities since they won't be able
to keep up with the abuse reports.
David
That's already here today.
tv
Our typical gambling/casino customer has maybe 1 - 2 Mbps available to
them. Pretty much anyone in the U.S. could DDoS them if they didn't
have their HTTP/HTTPS traffic proxied and there are plenty more
without any protection at all.
Jeff
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Tony Varriale
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 10, 2010, at 5:15 PM, Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net wrote:
On Feb 10, 2010, at 5:08 PM, James Jones wrote:
I am doing some researchis there a way to find out where there
is dark fiber and who own's it?
You may be better off asking nznog if it's local
Anyone have some insight on a good dual stack Linux (or BSD) router distro?
Currently using IPCop but it lacks ipv6 support. I've used SmoothWall Express
but not in some time and not sure how well it works with IPv6. Not looking for
something huge, just something for the equivalent of a
would pfsense work for you?
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Blake Pfankuch bpfank...@cpgreeley.com wrote:
Anyone have some insight on a good dual stack Linux (or BSD) router distro?
Currently using IPCop but it lacks ipv6 support. I've used SmoothWall
Express but not in some time and
Anyone have some insight on a good dual stack Linux (or BSD) router distro?
Currently using IPCop but it lacks ipv6 support. I've used SmoothWall
Express but not in some time and not sure how well it works with IPv6. Not
looking for something huge, just something for the equivalent of a small
Sorry for the top post,
BB won't let me punch this at the bottom.
I believe 2.0 is in beta and supports ipv6,
I don't know if beta is something you want to mess around with. The PF
products have been bulletproof for quite a long time.
-W
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Are they going to use Google routers for the deployment?
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Charles N Wyble
char...@knownelement.com wrote:
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On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Blake Pfankuch bpfank...@cpgreeley.com wrote:
Anyone have some insight on a good dual stack Linux (or BSD) router distro?
Mikrotik RouterOS. It is based on Linux and a bit more feature-rich
than some of the linux router distros I've tried such as IPCop.
Licenses
There are some FTTH deployments in the US, like the well known FIOS
to a number of lesser known municipal deployments in small towns.
If you want to live in a house that is served in this way, how do
you find it. I don't believe there is a FTTH field in MLS yet.
Would be nice to have a google
They don't have a field in the MLS for that, but most people put the
description FTTH in.
There are quite a few communities with FTTH in the Wash DC metropolitan area
that is not FIOS. Openband is one of them serving my house. The 100M fiber
comes into a transition network converter and then to a
Look, it's a very nice video, and I think it is useful and the creators
should be complimented on their work. Overall it is something I would like
to use to educate less IP-savvy folk.
But, as a hyper-aware viewer I did detect a tone in favor of network
neutrality type arguments- and I suppose
On 2010-02-10 at 17:12:28 -0700, Blake Pfankuch wrote:
Anyone have some insight on a good dual stack Linux (or BSD) router distro?
Currently using IPCop but it lacks ipv6 support. I've used SmoothWall
Express but not in some time and not sure how well it works with IPv6. Not
looking for
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 3:00 PM, David Hubbard
dhubb...@dino.hostasaurus.com wrote:
Residential computers with enough bandwidth to DoS
hosting providers; that should be fun. Maybe it will
Enough to DoS hosting providers based on _current_ practices. If 1g
FTTH catches on, hosting providers
I have gig copper ran all over my house. Handy for large file
transfers. I have fios as well, and wish it was faster. (yes, all I
know is it's a setting, it costs them nothing more)
--
Joel Esler
302-223-5974
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 10, 2010, at 8:02 PM, Luan Nguyen l...@netcraftsmen.net
But, as a hyper-aware viewer I did detect a tone in favor of network
neutrality type arguments- and I suppose that is OK.
is this a bug or a feature
randy
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 7:50 AM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote:
But, as a hyper-aware viewer I did detect a tone in favor of network
neutrality type arguments- and I suppose that is OK.
is this a bug or a feature
bug
--
Suresh Ramasubramanian (ops.li...@gmail.com)
FCC filings are rich with this type information.
http://www.fcc.gov
On 2/10/10, James Jones ja...@freedomnet.co.nz wrote:
I am doing some researchis there a way to find out where there is
dark fiber and who own's it?
--
Martin Hannigan
What do folks think?
I think it's a better use of their capital resources than paying big
fat bonuses to big fat executives.
Sounds like a well funded initiative that may provide an interesting
platform to explore new technologies and develop a new array of
applications.
It would be nice to
Very cool production. For the duration and intended audience it looks
like a nice and very clear documentary about how the net works.
For insiders the last minute may feel borderline with science fiction
and advertising but I see no evil.
I think it was a great contribution from Euro-IX to relax
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 6:39 PM, Jorge Amodio jmamo...@gmail.com wrote:
It would be nice to hear from local folks about how the WiFi
experiment in Mountain View worked out.
i use the mtview wifi almost everyday, and it works great
the last metrics i saw were presented by tropos and indicated
Have you checked Vyatta?
HTH,
Carlos.
I actually spaced about vyatta when I wrote this email. I have since been
forcefully reminded. About 30 times :) In the process of testing it, however
my main concern is some of the complexity of the config options. The GUI is a
welcome addition since 4, however I still find it a bit
This is actually good new's, considering this line of thought
began to look promising in 2000, other unmentioned providers
have business models not inclusive of this for another 10 years.
I think this at least shows American private industry that we are
at least attempting to catch up with
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