RE: OT: old farts recollecting -- Re: ASR1002

2010-04-18 Thread Jim Templin
James Hess [mailto:mysi...@gmail.com] Saturday, April 17, 2010 4:27 PM Oh SMS/MMS do a few things that make blink tags look utterly benign... http://www.dreamfabric.com/sms/alert.html May be possible to send as a flash message that immediately displays blinking, and that depending

Re: DSL aggregation.... NO

2010-04-18 Thread Anton Kapela
On Apr 15, 2010, at 5:39 PM, Jack Carrozzo wrote: You can balance over DSL by putting different L2TPv3 tunnels over each physical device and agg it at someplace with real connections and such. It's possible to do it with GRE or OpenVPN too, but much less classy. As Jack points out,

Re: Senderbase is offbase, need some help

2010-04-18 Thread gordon b slater
On Sat, 2010-04-17 at 16:45 -0400, William Herrin wrote: Interesting; I see similar results for my address space. Two addresses, one of which hasn't been attached to a machine for a decade and the other a virtual IP on a web server where the particular IP never emits connections. Magnitude's

Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?

2010-04-18 Thread Franck Martin
I'm looking at http://www.cidr-report.org/cgi-bin/plota?file=%2Fvar%2Fdata%2Fbgp%2Fv6%2Fas2.0%2Fbgp-as-count.txtdescr=Unique+ASesylabel=Unique+ASesrange=FullStartDate=EndDate=yrange=Autoymin=ymax=Width=1Height=1with=Stepcolor=autologscale=log I see the rate of grow is logarithmically linear

Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?

2010-04-18 Thread Randy Bush
And doing guess-o-matic extrapolation, it will take another 3 years before we reach 10,000 ASN advertising IPv6 networks. That will be 33% of ASN. With the impending running out of IPv4 starting next year, seems to me we are not going to make it in an orderly fashion? hint: those asns have

Re: Senderbase is offbase, need some help

2010-04-18 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 4/18/2010 16:02, Matthew Petach wrote: On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 10:15 AM, gordon b slater gordsla...@ieee.org wrote: On Sat, 2010-04-17 at 16:45 -0400, William Herrin wrote: Interesting; I see similar results for my address space. Two addresses, one of which hasn't been attached to a

Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?

2010-04-18 Thread Franck Martin
Sure the internet will not die... But by the time we run out of IPv4 to allocate, the IPv6 network will not have completed to dual stack the current IPv4 network. So what will happen? - Original Message - From: Randy Bush ra...@psg.com To: Franck Martin fra...@genius.com Cc:

Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?

2010-04-18 Thread Brett Watson
On Apr 18, 2010, at 5:17 PM, Randy Bush wrote: And doing guess-o-matic extrapolation, it will take another 3 years before we reach 10,000 ASN advertising IPv6 networks. That will be 33% of ASN. With the impending running out of IPv4 starting next year, seems to me we are not going to make it

Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?

2010-04-18 Thread William Herrin
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Franck Martin fra...@genius.com wrote: Sure the internet will not die... But by the time we run out of IPv4 to allocate, the IPv6 network will not have completed to dual stack the current IPv4 network. So what will happen? Hi Franck, Zero-sum game. Deploying a

Re: Senderbase is offbase, need some help

2010-04-18 Thread Jon Lewis
On Sun, 18 Apr 2010, Larry Sheldon wrote: Have you checked cyclops and other BGP announcement tracking systems to see if it might have been a short-lived whack-a-mole short prefix hijack (pop up, announce block, send burst of spam, remove announcement, disappear again)? Maybe I'm just tired

Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?

2010-04-18 Thread Randy Bush
But by the time we run out of IPv4 to allocate, the IPv6 network will not have completed to dual stack the current IPv4 network. So what will happen? as dual-stack requires as many ipv4 addresses as there are ipv6 interfaces, this question is rubbish

Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?

2010-04-18 Thread Randy Bush
hint: those asns have ipv4 And... contrary to Chicken Little, the sky is not falling. then what are these diamonds on the soles of my shoes?

Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?

2010-04-18 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
Sent from my iPhone, please excuse any errors. On Apr 18, 2010, at 21:28, Patrick Giagnocavo patr...@zill.net wrote: Franck Martin wrote: Sure the internet will not die... But by the time we run out of IPv4 to allocate, the IPv6 network will not have completed to dual stack the current

Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?

2010-04-18 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 12:08:23PM +1200, Franck Martin wrote: And doing guess-o-matic extrapolation, it will take another 3 years before we reach 10,000 ASN advertising IPv6 networks. That will be 33% of ASN. With the impending running out of IPv4 starting next year,

Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?

2010-04-18 Thread Dave Pooser
On 4/18/10 8:28 PM, Patrick Giagnocavo patr...@zill.net wrote: Reality is that as soon as SSL web servers and SSL-capable web browsers have support for name-based virtual hosts, the number of IPv4 addresses required will drop. And if Internet history teaches us one thing, it's that end users

Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?

2010-04-18 Thread Bill Bogstad
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Patrick Giagnocavo patr...@zill.net wrote: Franck Martin wrote: Sure the internet will not die... But by the time we run out of IPv4 to allocate, the IPv6 network will not have completed to dual stack the current IPv4 network. So what will happen? Reality

Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?

2010-04-18 Thread joel jaeggli
On 4/18/2010 6:28 PM, Patrick Giagnocavo wrote: Franck Martin wrote: Sure the internet will not die... But by the time we run out of IPv4 to allocate, the IPv6 network will not have completed to dual stack the current IPv4 network. So what will happen? Reality is that as soon as SSL web

Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?

2010-04-18 Thread Adrian Chadd
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010, joel jaeggli wrote: my load balancer needs 16 ips for every million simultaneous connections, so does yours. Only because it hasn't broken the spec further. :) adrian

Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?

2010-04-18 Thread Patrick Giagnocavo
joel jaeggli wrote: On 4/18/2010 6:28 PM, Patrick Giagnocavo wrote: Reality is that as soon as SSL web servers and SSL-capable web browsers have support for name-based virtual hosts, the number of IPv4 addresses required will drop. Right now, you need 1 IP address for 1 SSL site; SNI spec

Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?

2010-04-18 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Mon, 19 Apr 2010, Franck Martin wrote: Anybody has better projections? What's the plan? My guess is that end user access will be more and more NAT444:ed (CGN) while at the same time end users will get more and more IPv6 access (of all types), and over a period of time more and more of

Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?

2010-04-18 Thread joel jaeggli
On 4/18/2010 9:56 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: On Mon, 19 Apr 2010, Franck Martin wrote: Anybody has better projections? What's the plan? My guess is that end user access will be more and more NAT444:ed (CGN) while at the same time end users will get more and more IPv6 access (of all