Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?

2010-04-25 Thread Stefan Bethke
Am 25.04.2010 um 03:29 schrieb Mark Smith: If obscurity is such an effective measure why are zebras also able to run fast and kick hard? Because the stripes hide them from the flies, not the lions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zebra#cite_note-5 -- Stefan Bethke s...@lassitu.de Fon +49

South Africa network issues

2010-04-25 Thread Mehmet Akcin
Anyone experiencing connectivity problems to South African networks at this moment? A fellow colleague informed SEACOM cable which is serving east Africa seems to be down. Let me know if you have more information on this subject. Mehmet

Re: South Africa network issues

2010-04-25 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 25/04/2010 13:46, Mehmet Akcin wrote: Anyone experiencing connectivity problems to South African networks at this moment? A fellow colleague informed SEACOM cable which is serving east Africa seems to be down. Let me know if you have more information on this subject. The problem may be

Re: South Africa network issues

2010-04-25 Thread Arnold Nipper
On 25.04.2010 14:46 Mehmet Akcin wrote Anyone experiencing connectivity problems to South African networks at this moment? A fellow colleague informed SEACOM cable which is serving east Africa seems to be down. Let me know if you have more information on this subject. gone?

Re: Connectivity to an IPv6-only site

2010-04-25 Thread Owen DeLong
On Apr 24, 2010, at 6:02 PM, Kevin Buhr wrote: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu writes: Ours are currently intentionally configured to not issue queries over IPv6, because at one time, there were *so many* sites that listed unreachable quad-A NS records. Our DNS guy is more than willing to

Re: [Re: http://tools.ietf.org/search/draft-hain-ipv6-ulac-01]

2010-04-25 Thread Tony Hoyle
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 25/04/2010 03:01, Mark Smith wrote: I'm a typical, fairly near future residential customer. I have a NAS that I have movies stored on. My ISP delegates an IPv6 prefix to me with a preferred lifetime of 60 minutes, and a valid lifetime of 90

Re: [Re: http://tools.ietf.org/search/draft-hain-ipv6-ulac-01]

2010-04-25 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 4/25/2010 10:17, Tony Hoyle wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 25/04/2010 03:01, Mark Smith wrote: I'm a typical, fairly near future residential customer. I have a NAS that I have movies stored on. My ISP delegates an IPv6 prefix to me with a preferred lifetime of

Re: [Re: http://tools.ietf.org/search/draft-hain-ipv6-ulac-01]

2010-04-25 Thread Owen DeLong
On Apr 25, 2010, at 8:17 AM, Tony Hoyle wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 25/04/2010 03:01, Mark Smith wrote: I'm a typical, fairly near future residential customer. I have a NAS that I have movies stored on. My ISP delegates an IPv6 prefix to me with a preferred

Re: [Re: http://tools.ietf.org/search/draft-hain-ipv6-ulac-01]

2010-04-25 Thread sthaug
What ISP would put a 'lifetime' on your ipv6 prefix? That seems insane to me... they should give you a /48 and be done with it. Even the free tunnel brokers do that. But then I never understood dynamic ipv4 either Dynamic IPv4 isn't too difficult to understand. There are two main

Re: South Africa network issues

2010-04-25 Thread Randy Bush
we know the prefix for afnog.org was not being announced for about 16 hours. no post mortem yet. randy

Re: Connectivity to an IPv6-only site

2010-04-25 Thread Jason Fesler
Its a shame there is not a pair of images on this site - one originated from a v4 only box, one a v6 only box. The img src= could point to the I've been working on something in this direction this past week, that is primarilly for user facing debugging purposes (versus for a content

Re: South Africa network issues

2010-04-25 Thread Raymond Macharia
Cable fault repairs on SMW4 which currently seacom uses to haul traffic to europe and onto the rest of the world. Below is subject for email sent by my upstream provider. Latest information is that it will take about 3 days if the weather remains friendly. SMW4 Seg4.1(Alexandria towards west)

Re: [Re: http://tools.ietf.org/search/draft-hain-ipv6-ulac-01]

2010-04-25 Thread Owen DeLong
On Apr 25, 2010, at 9:11 AM, sth...@nethelp.no wrote: What ISP would put a 'lifetime' on your ipv6 prefix? That seems insane to me... they should give you a /48 and be done with it. Even the free tunnel brokers do that. But then I never understood dynamic ipv4 either Dynamic

Re:

2010-04-25 Thread sthaug
- Dynamic addresses is a way to differentiate residential customers (who pay less) from business customers (who pay more). Which is both specious and obnoxious. It is a business choice, which you may or may not agree with. Given a choice between a provider which does this and one who

DHCP Use (was Re: )

2010-04-25 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 4/25/2010 15:27, sth...@nethelp.no wrote: - Dynamic addresses is a way to differentiate residential customers (who pay less) from business customers (who pay more). Which is both specious and obnoxious. It is a business choice, which you may or may not agree with. Given a choice

Re: [Re: http://tools.ietf.org/search/draft-hain-ipv6-ulac-01]

2010-04-25 Thread Mark Smith
On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 13:21:16 -0400 Richard Barnes richard.bar...@gmail.com wrote: Moreover, the general point stands that Mark's problem is one of bad ISP decisions, not anything different between IPv4/RFC1918 and IPv6. My example, although a bit convoluted to demonstrate a point, is about

Re: [Re: http://tools.ietf.org/search/draft-hain-ipv6-ulac-01]

2010-04-25 Thread Mark Smith
On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 16:17:21 +0100 Tony Hoyle t...@hoyle.me.uk wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 25/04/2010 03:01, Mark Smith wrote: I'm a typical, fairly near future residential customer. I have a NAS that I have movies stored on. My ISP delegates an IPv6 prefix to

Re: [Re: http://tools.ietf.org/search/draft-hain-ipv6-ulac-01]

2010-04-25 Thread Mark Andrews
In message u2j88ac5c711004251021q54694443l687b8f6aa78c4...@mail.gmail.com, Richard Barnes writes: Moreover, the general point stands that Mark's problem is one of bad ISP decisions, not anything different between IPv4/RFC1918 and IPv6. Actually one needs to deploy a ULA or have PI addresses

Re: [Re: http://tools.ietf.org/search/draft-hain-ipv6-ulac-01]

2010-04-25 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 08:20:33AM +0930, Mark Smith wrote: On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 13:21:16 -0400 Richard Barnes richard.bar...@gmail.com wrote: Moreover, the general point stands that Mark's problem is one of bad ISP decisions, not anything different between IPv4/RFC1918 and IPv6. My

Re: DHCP Use (was Re: )

2010-04-25 Thread Tony Hoyle
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 25/04/2010 22:06, Larry Sheldon wrote: The whole idea that DHCP should only be used for (and is absolute proof of the status of) despised-class customers is just nuts. I've never seen DHCP used on residential DSL circuits.. it's all PPP (oA

Re: [Re: http://tools.ietf.org/search/draft-hain-ipv6-ulac-01]

2010-04-25 Thread Owen DeLong
On Apr 25, 2010, at 3:50 PM, Mark Smith wrote: On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 13:21:16 -0400 Richard Barnes richard.bar...@gmail.com wrote: Moreover, the general point stands that Mark's problem is one of bad ISP decisions, not anything different between IPv4/RFC1918 and IPv6. My example,

Re: [Re: http://tools.ietf.org/search/draft-hain-ipv6-ulac-01]

2010-04-25 Thread Tony Hoyle
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 25/04/2010 23:53, Mark Smith wrote: On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 16:17:21 +0100 Tony Hoyle t...@hoyle.me.uk wrote: On 25/04/2010 03:01, Mark Smith wrote: I'm a typical, fairly near future residential customer. I have a NAS that I have movies stored

Re: [Re: http://tools.ietf.org/search/draft-hain-ipv6-ulac-01]

2010-04-25 Thread Tony Hoyle
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 26/04/2010 00:32, Matthew Palmer wrote: I've been using IPv6 for about 18 seconds, and even *I* know the answer to that one -- the link-local address. It should respond at ff02::2 as well (at least to a ping, so you can get the LL address if

Re: DHCP Use (was Re: )

2010-04-25 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 4/25/2010 18:33, Tony Hoyle wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 25/04/2010 22:06, Larry Sheldon wrote: The whole idea that DHCP should only be used for (and is absolute proof of the status of) despised-class customers is just nuts. I've never seen DHCP used on

Re: DHCP Use (was Re: )

2010-04-25 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 4/25/10 4:33 PM, Tony Hoyle wrote: On 25/04/2010 22:06, Larry Sheldon wrote: The whole idea that DHCP should only be used for (and is absolute proof of the status of) despised-class customers is just nuts. I've never seen DHCP used on residential DSL circuits.. it's all PPP (oA

Re: [Re: http://tools.ietf.org/search/draft-hain-ipv6-ulac-01]

2010-04-25 Thread Doug Barton
On 04/25/10 16:42, Owen DeLong wrote: That's what Link Local is for. fe80::EUI-64%interface For example, if the CPE is connected to the customer's network on eth0 and the CPE mac address is 00:45:4b:b9:02:be, you could go to: http://[fe80::0245:4bff:feb9:02be]%eth0 ... and regardless

Re: [Re: http://tools.ietf.org/search/draft-hain-ipv6-ulac-01]

2010-04-25 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Sun, 25 Apr 2010, Doug Barton wrote: On 04/25/10 16:42, Owen DeLong wrote: That's what Link Local is for. fe80::EUI-64%interface For example, if the CPE is connected to the customer's network on eth0 and the CPE mac address is 00:45:4b:b9:02:be, you could go to:

Re: [Re: http://tools.ietf.org/search/draft-hain-ipv6-ulac-01]

2010-04-25 Thread Mark Smith
On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 09:32:30 +1000 Matthew Palmer mpal...@hezmatt.org wrote: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 08:20:33AM +0930, Mark Smith wrote: On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 13:21:16 -0400 Richard Barnes richard.bar...@gmail.com wrote: Moreover, the general point stands that Mark's problem is one of

Re: [Re: http://tools.ietf.org/search/draft-hain-ipv6-ulac-01]

2010-04-25 Thread Doug Barton
On 04/25/10 19:37, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: On Sun, 25 Apr 2010, Doug Barton wrote: ... and regardless of the specific method, the vendors already document the procedure for connecting to the web interface for IPv4, there is no reason to believe that they could not or would not do the same

Re: [Re: http://tools.ietf.org/search/draft-hain-ipv6-ulac-01]

2010-04-25 Thread Mark Smith
On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:31:51 +0930 Mark Smith na...@85d5b20a518b8f6864949bd940457dc124746ddc.nosense.org wrote: On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 09:32:30 +1000 Matthew Palmer mpal...@hezmatt.org wrote: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 08:20:33AM +0930, Mark Smith wrote: On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 13:21:16 -0400

Re: DHCP Use (was Re: )

2010-04-25 Thread Jack Bates
Seth Mattinen wrote: On 4/25/10 4:33 PM, Tony Hoyle wrote: On 25/04/2010 22:06, Larry Sheldon wrote: The whole idea that DHCP should only be used for (and is absolute proof of the status of) despised-class customers is just nuts. I've never seen DHCP used on residential DSL circuits.. it's

Re: [Re: http://tools.ietf.org/search/draft-hain-ipv6-ulac-01]

2010-04-25 Thread Jack Bates
Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: Does anyone actually believe that the above is user-friendly and will work in real life? Using link-local for this kind of end-user administration of their equipment is doomed to fail. There needs to be a procedure for devices which are going to get DHCP-PD from the

Re: [Re: http://tools.ietf.org/search/draft-hain-ipv6-ulac-01]

2010-04-25 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Sun, 25 Apr 2010, Jack Bates wrote: Last 3 cheap routers. BIG STICKER: INSTALL SOFTWARE BEFORE YOU PLUG THIS ROUTER IN! I doubt many users even use the old goto http://192.168.1.1/; anymore. That being said, there are private addressing schemes in IPv6 as well. No reason one could be bound

Re: DHCP Use (was Re: )

2010-04-25 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 4/25/10 9:23 PM, Jack Bates wrote: Seth Mattinen wrote: On 4/25/10 4:33 PM, Tony Hoyle wrote: On 25/04/2010 22:06, Larry Sheldon wrote: The whole idea that DHCP should only be used for (and is absolute proof of the status of) despised-class customers is just nuts. I've never seen DHCP

Re: DHCP Use (was Re: )

2010-04-25 Thread Roy
On 4/25/2010 5:11 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: On 4/25/10 4:33 PM, Tony Hoyle wrote: On 25/04/2010 22:06, Larry Sheldon wrote: The whole idea that DHCP should only be used for (and is absolute proof of the status of) despised-class customers is just nuts. I've never seen DHCP

Re: [Re: http://tools.ietf.org/search/draft-hain-ipv6-ulac-01]

2010-04-25 Thread Mark Smith
On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 16:42:31 -0700 Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: On Apr 25, 2010, at 3:50 PM, Mark Smith wrote: On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 13:21:16 -0400 Richard Barnes richard.bar...@gmail.com wrote: Moreover, the general point stands that Mark's problem is one of bad ISP

Re: DHCP Use (was Re: )

2010-04-25 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Sun, 25 Apr 2010, Roy wrote: My old company does it this way. Made life very easy. Most consumer grade routers come set for DHCP out of the box so it is plug and play. Yes, running IPoETHoATMoDSL is really nice if you own the dslam yourself, then it's only a media converter. It's also