Re: Introducing draft-denog-v6ops-addresspartnaming

2010-11-19 Thread Frank Habicht
I saw 'field' somewhere http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5952#section-2.1 seems to agree. Frank On 11/19/2010 10:42 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: Since the poll is a straight yes/no option with no preference, I will express my preference here. While I find the term quibble fun and amusing, I think

Re: experience with equinix exchange

2010-11-19 Thread Robert E. Seastrom
Paul is pretty clueful; I think he was asking for specifics as to what the layer 8/9 issues are at Equinix, rather than an explanation of what layer 8 and 9 means. Fly Fast, -r Justin Horstman justin.horst...@gorillanation.com writes: 8 users 9 politics and policies -Original

Re: Why is your company treating IPv6 turn ups as a sales matter?

2010-11-19 Thread Pierfrancesco Caci
:- William == William Herrin b...@herrin.us writes: Hiya folks, Why are your respective companies treating IPv6 turn ups as a sales matter instead of a standard technical change request like IP addresses or BGP? Sprint and Qwest, I know you're guilty. How many of the rest

Re: Introducing draft-denog-v6ops-addresspartnaming

2010-11-19 Thread Richard Hartmann
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 07:00, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote:        problem is, its not alwas ggoig to be two bytes... It's always two bytes, but people may choose to omit them. That is a social, not a (purely) technical, syntax, though. Richard

Re: Why is your company treating IPv6 turn ups as a sales matter?

2010-11-19 Thread Jay Hennigan
On 11/18/10 2:24 PM, George, Wes E [NTK] wrote: [WES] Because in most companies, sales owns the direct relationship with the customer, so when they ask about a new feature or service, they work with sales, and sales gets the right technical folks involved. A clarification that is probably

Re: Introducing draft-denog-v6ops-addresspartnaming

2010-11-19 Thread Richard Hartmann
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 08:42, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: Since the poll is a straight yes/no option with no preference, I will express my preference here. I considered using the Condorcet method [1] (modified for NotA), but as past experience has shown that people get easily confused

Re: Why is your company treating IPv6 turn ups as a sales matter?

2010-11-19 Thread Robert E. Seastrom
George, Wes E [NTK] wesley.e.geo...@sprint.com writes: Sprint and Qwest, I know you're guilty. Bill, I know that you mean well and you're just trying to push IPv6 deployment, and sometimes a little public shame goes a long way, but in the future, before you call my company out in public

Re: IPv6

2010-11-19 Thread Owen DeLong
Another option is a static BGP tunnel with HE which can be configured at http://tunnelbroker.net. It's not ideal and only useful for relatively low bandwidth. If your needs are greater, we would much rather sell you transit or peer with you as appropriate. As everyone should know by now, we have

RE: Introducing draft-denog-v6ops-addresspartnaming

2010-11-19 Thread George Bonser
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 07:00, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote:        problem is, its not alwas ggoig to be two bytes... It's always two bytes, but people may choose to omit them. That is a social, not a (purely) technical, syntax, though. Richard That's exactly what I was

Re: IPv6

2010-11-19 Thread Job W. J. Snijders
Hello, On 19 nov 2010, at 00:00, Nick Olsen wrote: That's what I'm hearing. Cogent refuses to peer with HE via IPv6. So cogent IPv6 Customers currently can not hit things at HE. And they can't do anything about it. Besides 6to4 tunneling and BGP peering with HE (or native, If they can). A

Re: IPv6

2010-11-19 Thread Jeroen Wunnink
I second that, we're only getting ~2665 IPv6 prefixes from Cogent compared to the ~3650 from our other transits. (been like that for more then a year now) Cogent's stance on it is 'You're multihomed with other transits, so you're still reachable anyways' which strikes me as very odd for

Re: IPv6

2010-11-19 Thread sthaug
That's what I'm hearing. Cogent refuses to peer with HE via IPv6. So cogent IPv6 Customers currently can not hit things at HE. And they can't do anything about it. Besides 6to4 tunneling and BGP peering with HE (or native, If they can). A few weeks ago I compared what cogent sees

How many IPv6 prefixes should you have (Was: IPv6)

2010-11-19 Thread Jeroen Massar
Job Snijders wrote: They are missing roughly 1000 prefixes. See http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/status/ which just now when I peeked stated at the top: 8- 2704 good/required prefixes Minimum of 1714 prefixes (-990) Average of 3513 prefixes (+809) Maximum of

Re: Introducing draft-denog-v6ops-addresspartnaming

2010-11-19 Thread Scott Morris
If 8 bits is a byte, then 16 bits should be a mouthful. ;) Scott On 11/18/10 10:45 PM, George Bonser wrote: Hi all, as most of you are aware, there is no definite, canonical name for the two bytes of IPv6 addresses between colons. This forces people to use a description like I just did

Re: Cisco GRE/IPSec performance, 3845 ISR/3945 ISR G2

2010-11-19 Thread Christopher J. Pilkington
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 03:18:04PM -0800, Sam Chesluk wrote: 2) While the IPSec portion is hardware accelerated, the GRE encapsulation is not, unless this is a Cat6500/CISCO7600 router, or 7200VXR with C7200-VSA card. Because of this, the GRE process itself will consume a fairly large amount

Re: Cisco GRE/IPSec performance, 3845 ISR/3945 ISR G2

2010-11-19 Thread Christopher J. Pilkington
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 02:47:35PM -0800, Seth Mattinen wrote: The ISR series do have onboard hardware crypto, but I don't know offhand if it can handle a full DS3 worth. My first guess is fragment reassembly would probably kill it fast. We're not seeing fragmentation. The MTU of the

Re: Introducing draft-denog-v6ops-addresspartnaming

2010-11-19 Thread David Israel
On 11/19/2010 4:57 AM, George Bonser wrote: It's always two bytes, but people may choose to omit them. That is a social, not a (purely) technical, syntax, though. Richard That's exactly what I was going to say but didn't want to quibble. We tend to call them quads at work. What do you

Re: How many IPv6 prefixes should you have (Was: IPv6)

2010-11-19 Thread Antonio Querubin
On Fri, 19 Nov 2010, Jeroen Massar wrote: What now is more disturbing is that there appears to be a couple of prefixes out there which are not in the ARIN registry anymore which are still being used (Hexago/Gogo6/Freenet6/nameoftheday's 2001:5c0::/32 is an exemplary one) but also 2001:1890::/32

Re: How many IPv6 prefixes should you have (Was: IPv6)

2010-11-19 Thread Jeroen Massar
On 2010-11-19 16:35, Antonio Querubin wrote: On Fri, 19 Nov 2010, Jeroen Massar wrote: What now is more disturbing is that there appears to be a couple of prefixes out there which are not in the ARIN registry anymore which are still being used (Hexago/Gogo6/Freenet6/nameoftheday's

Re: Introducing draft-denog-v6ops-addresspartnaming

2010-11-19 Thread Richard Hartmann
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 10:57, George Bonser gbon...@seven.com wrote: That's exactly what I was going to say but didn't want to quibble.  We tend to call them quads at work.  What do you call that indeterminate space between two colons :: where it might be four or more zeros in there? That's

Re: Introducing draft-denog-v6ops-addresspartnaming

2010-11-19 Thread Richard Hartmann
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 14:14, Scott Morris s...@emanon.com wrote: If 8 bits is a byte, then 16 bits should be a mouthful. When does it become a meal and, more importantly, do you want to supper (sic) size? RIchard

Re: Introducing draft-denog-v6ops-addresspartnaming

2010-11-19 Thread William Pitcock
On Fri, 2010-11-19 at 17:06 +0100, Richard Hartmann wrote: On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 14:14, Scott Morris s...@emanon.com wrote: If 8 bits is a byte, then 16 bits should be a mouthful. When does it become a meal and, more importantly, do you want to supper (sic) size? The supersize option

Re: Introducing draft-denog-v6ops-addresspartnaming

2010-11-19 Thread Owen DeLong
I'm sorry to quibble with the majority here, but, in this case, I think we have enough problems with ambiguous terminology in networking and this opportunity to avoid creating one more should not be missed. (The above paragraph was mainly so that I had an opportunity to toss quibble into the

Re: Introducing draft-denog-v6ops-addresspartnaming

2010-11-19 Thread Owen DeLong
On Nov 19, 2010, at 12:57 AM, Richard Hartmann wrote: On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 07:00, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: problem is, its not alwas ggoig to be two bytes... It's always two bytes, but people may choose to omit them. That is a social, not a (purely) technical,

Re: Introducing draft-denog-v6ops-addresspartnaming

2010-11-19 Thread Jay Nugent
Greetings, On Fri, 19 Nov 2010, Owen DeLong wrote: I'm sorry to quibble with the majority here, but, in this case, I think we have enough problems with ambiguous terminology in networking and this opportunity to avoid creating one more should not be missed. (The above paragraph was

Re: Introducing draft-denog-v6ops-addresspartnaming

2010-11-19 Thread Richard Hartmann
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 17:58, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: It is always two bytes. A byte is not always an octet. Some machines do have byte sizes other than 8 bits Vice versa. It's always two octects, but on some systems it may not be two bytes. , although few of them are likely to

Re: Cisco GRE/IPSec performance, 3845 ISR/3945 ISR G2

2010-11-19 Thread Michael Ulitskiy
On Thursday 18 November 2010 18:18:04 Sam Chesluk wrote: There are a couple potential issues, that when looked at in whole, add up to a significant performance impact. 1) IPSec + GRE involves two forwarding operations, one to send it to the tunnel interface , and another to send the

Re: Introducing draft-denog-v6ops-addresspartnaming

2010-11-19 Thread Cutler James R
I have a quibble with this discussion. When I defined a byte as a mouthful of bits to my boss back in 1977, he nearly fired me on the spot. He did not care about PDP-10 , much less PDP-11, data constructs. By now, octet has become essentially synonymous with byte and nibble with 4-bits.

Re: Introducing draft-denog-v6ops-addresspartnaming

2010-11-19 Thread Owen DeLong
On Nov 19, 2010, at 8:58 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: On Nov 19, 2010, at 12:57 AM, Richard Hartmann wrote: On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 07:00, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: problem is, its not alwas ggoig to be two bytes... It's always two bytes, but people may choose to omit

Weekly Routing Table Report

2010-11-19 Thread Routing Analysis Role Account
This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. The posting is sent to APOPS, NANOG, AfNOG, AusNOG, SANOG, PacNOG, LacNOG, CaribNOG and the RIPE Routing Working Group. Daily listings are sent to

Re: IPv6 6to4 and dns

2010-11-19 Thread Jeroen van Aart
Mark Andrews wrote: Firstly I would use a tunnel broker instead of 6to4. Easier to debug failures. Thanks all for the helpful response. Using the same names for IPv6 and IPv4 doesn't appear to be much of a problem, especially considering this is a trial which concerns office/home ISP

Re: Introducing draft-denog-v6ops-addresspartnaming

2010-11-19 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 11/19/10 10:56 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: It is always two bytes. A byte is not always an octet. Some machines do It is always two OCTETS. A byte is not always an octet... Assuming you have a v6 stack on your cdc6600 a v6 address fits in 22 bytes not 16. have byte sizes other than 8 bits,

Blocking International DNS

2010-11-19 Thread Marshall Eubanks
It seems that the Combating Online Infringement and Counterfeits Act (COICA) passed through the Senate Judiciary Committee with a unanimous (!) vote : http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/11/pirate-slaying-censorship-bill-gets-unanimous-support.ars

Re: Introducing draft-denog-v6ops-addresspartnaming

2010-11-19 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Richard Hartmann richih.mailingl...@gmail.com wrote: as most of you are aware, there is no definite, canonical name for the two bytes of IPv6 addresses between colons. This forces people to use a description like I just did instead of a single, specific term.

Re: Introducing draft-denog-v6ops-addresspartnaming

2010-11-19 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 11/19/10 12:45 PM, William Herrin wrote: On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Richard Hartmann richih.mailingl...@gmail.com wrote: as most of you are aware, there is no definite, canonical name for the two bytes of IPv6 addresses between colons. This forces people to use a description like I

Re: Introducing draft-denog-v6ops-addresspartnaming

2010-11-19 Thread William Herrin
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Joel Jaeggli joe...@bogus.com wrote: On 11/19/10 12:45 PM, William Herrin wrote: The meaningful boundaries in the protocol itself are nibble and /64. If you want socially significant boundaries, add /12, /32 and /48. It is possible and desirable to be able to

Re: Introducing draft-denog-v6ops-addresspartnaming

2010-11-19 Thread Richard Hartmann
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 21:45, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: I have an anti-naming proposal: Allow users to place the colons -anywhere- or even leave them out altogether without changing the semantics of the IPv6 address. A decade or two of established syntax disagree. IPv6 addresses,

Re: Introducing draft-denog-v6ops-addresspartnaming

2010-11-19 Thread Richard Hartmann
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 22:17, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: Bit, nibble and /64 then. /64 is treated specially by functions in the protocol (like SLAAC) thus it's a protocol boundary rather than a social one (/12 IANA allocations, /32 ISP allocations, /48 end-user assignments). I

Re: IPv6 6to4 and dns

2010-11-19 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 4ce6d919.2000...@mompl.net, Jeroen van Aart writes: Mark Andrews wrote: Firstly I would use a tunnel broker instead of 6to4. Easier to debug failures. Thanks all for the helpful response. Using the same names for IPv6 and IPv4 doesn't appear to be much of a problem,

RE: experience with equinix exchange

2010-11-19 Thread Ryan Finnesey
I would like to know the issues as well because we are looking to going into at least 4 of their centers. Cheers Ryan -Original Message- From: Robert E. Seastrom [mailto:r...@seastrom.com] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 3:30 AM To: Justin Horstman Cc: nanog@nanog.org; Mehmet Akcin