Re: UN mulls internet regulation options

2010-12-19 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
This hat is sufficiently old enough to predate wikileaks by several years. And it is way too nuanced to be easily dismissed by code is law truisms like the one below. On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Joseph Prasad joseph.pra...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Spamhaus under DDOS from AnonOps (Wikileaks.info)

2010-12-19 Thread Joe Greco
On 12/18/2010 5:15 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: I get nothing from wikileaks.org, although the DNS is active : $ host wikileaks.org wikileaks.org has address 64.64.12.170 Doesn't it seem vaguely suspicious that whois was just updated? Domain ID:D130035267-LROR Domain Name:WIKILEAKS.ORG

RE: Spamhaus under DDOS from AnonOps (Wikileaks.info)

2010-12-19 Thread Frank Bulk - iName.com
The wikileaks.info press release points to Google's Safe Browsing page for wikileaks.info (http://www.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?site=wikileaks.info), which comes up clean. While I tend to trust Steve and Spamhaus because of their built up reputation, it would be helpful if some concrete

Re: Spamhaus under DDOS from AnonOps (Wikileaks.info)

2010-12-19 Thread Paul Ferguson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Not for nothing, but Spamhaus wasn't the only organization to warn about Heihachi: http://blog.trendmicro.com/wikileaks-in-a-dangerous-internet-neighborhood/ FYI, - - ferg On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Frank Bulk - iName.com frnk...@iname.com

Re: Spamhaus under DDOS from AnonOps (Wikileaks.info)

2010-12-19 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Dec 19, 2010, at 8:06 AM, Joe Greco wrote: On 12/18/2010 5:15 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: I get nothing from wikileaks.org, although the DNS is active : $ host wikileaks.org wikileaks.org has address 64.64.12.170 Doesn't it seem vaguely suspicious that whois was just updated?

Re: TCP congestion control and large router buffers

2010-12-19 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 12/9/10 7:20 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: On Thu, 9 Dec 2010, Vasil Kolev wrote: I wonder why this hasn't made the rounds here. From what I see, a change in this part (e.g. lower buffers in customer routers, or a change (yet another) to the congestion control algorithms) would do

Re: Mastercard problems

2010-12-19 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 12/9/10 8:11 AM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: By the way, I was amused that a Twitter spokesman boasted that The company is not overly concerned about hackers’ attacking Twitter’s site, he said, explaining that it faces security issues all the time and has technology to deal with the

Re: Spamhaus under DDOS from AnonOps (Wikileaks.info)

2010-12-19 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 12:46:33PM -0600, Frank Bulk - iName.com wrote: While I tend to trust Steve and Spamhaus because of their built up reputation, it would be helpful if some concrete facts were published about the more than 40 criminal-run sites operating on the same IP address as

Re: Spamhaus under DDOS from AnonOps (Wikileaks.info)

2010-12-19 Thread Ned Moran
additional evidence http://www.malwaredomainlist.com/mdl.php?search=41947colsearch=Allquantity=50inactive=on On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Rich Kulawiec r...@gsp.org wrote: On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 12:46:33PM -0600, Frank Bulk - iName.com wrote: While I tend to trust Steve and Spamhaus

Re: Spamhaus under DDOS from AnonOps (Wikileaks.info)

2010-12-19 Thread Simon Waters
On 19/12/10 18:51, Paul Ferguson wrote: Not for nothing, but Spamhaus wasn't the only organization to warn about Heihachi: http://blog.trendmicro.com/wikileaks-in-a-dangerous-internet-neighborhood/ All the domains listed by Trend Micro as neighbours appear to be down. Have to say as someone

Re: Spamhaus under DDOS from AnonOps (Wikileaks.info)

2010-12-19 Thread Paul Ferguson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Simon Waters sim...@zynet.net wrote: On 19/12/10 18:51, Paul Ferguson wrote: Not for nothing, but Spamhaus wasn't the only organization to warn about Heihachi:

Re: UN mulls internet regulation options

2010-12-19 Thread Dave CROCKER
On 12/18/2010 9:52 PM, Joseph Prasad wrote: http://www.itnews.com.au/News/242051,un-mulls-internet-regulation-options.aspx Given the season, their efforts appear to be a form of mulled whine. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net

Re: Alacarte Cable and Geeks

2010-12-19 Thread William Allen Simpson
On 12/18/10 7:27 PM, Kevin Oberman wrote: From: Robert E. Seastromr...@seastrom.com ... I can see a future where you buy internet from the cable co and they give you the basic cable TV channel lineup at no charge but in reality, you're paying for the cable internet what you used to pay for

Re: UN mulls internet regulation options

2010-12-19 Thread Fred Baker
On Dec 19, 2010, at 1:30 PM, Dave CROCKER wrote: On 12/18/2010 9:52 PM, Joseph Prasad wrote: http://www.itnews.com.au/News/242051,un-mulls-internet-regulation-options.aspx Given the season, their efforts appear to be a form of mulled whine. Well, if you have followed the news, it

Re: Spamhaus under DDOS from AnonOps (Wikileaks.info)

2010-12-19 Thread foks
On 12/19/2010 08:33 PM, Ned Moran wrote: additional evidence http://www.malwaredomainlist.com/mdl.php?search=41947colsearch=Allquantity=50inactive=on On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Rich Kulawiec r...@gsp.org wrote: On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 12:46:33PM -0600, Frank Bulk - iName.com wrote:

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread William Allen Simpson
On 12/17/10 12:08 PM, Dave Temkin wrote: George Bonser wrote: The municipality charges the cable company per HBO subscriber? The municipality gets a cut of that in a profit sharing agreement. The point was, everyone gets their tax or toll along the way. Dave, perhaps you would be kind

RE: Spamhaus under DDOS from AnonOps (Wikileaks.info)

2010-12-19 Thread Frank Bulk - iName.com
Thanks for your note and the many others. I think it could have been stated more clearly that wikileaks.info, while in a bad neighborhood, and set up to suggest it is Wikileaks or part of the Wikileaks organization, does not (at this time) host or facilitate distribution of malware. The Spamhaus

DWDM on a single strand

2010-12-19 Thread MKS
Hi there I was wondering about DWDM equipment on a single strand fiber. What are the capabilities of a mainstream DWDM equipment operating on a single strand of fiber on terms of number of channels and reach? By mainstream I mean equipment somewhere in the middle of the price range for DWDM, like

Re: UN mulls internet regulation options

2010-12-19 Thread Randy Bush
Well, if you have followed the news, it comes down to the fact that some of our old friends from WSIS/WGIG/IGF+ICANN/GAC we're the government and we like the idea of being in charge friends are at it again. In one corner, Brazil, China, South Africa, and Saudi Arabia; in the other, US,

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread Phil Bedard
The franchise fees in many markets are based on gross revenue. 5% is a fairly standard percentage charged by municipalities to cable companies for right of way access, etc. Not sure if I would call this a profit sharing plan, but it's not too much of a stretch. Today with local agreements

Re: UN mulls internet regulation options

2010-12-19 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams
fred, and others with (misspent) wsis++ / ig++ travel nickles, it would _really_ help me if you provided more context, off-line if necessary, as i spent the week before last more involved with the gac than at any prior point in my decade of icann involvement. i don't mind the 'tude, as we

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 05:16:27PM -0500, William Allen Simpson wrote: That would be against the law in Michigan. And I've never heard of any cable company revealing its profits on a per municipality basis Google finds some:

Re: UN mulls internet regulation options

2010-12-19 Thread Fred Baker
On Dec 19, 2010, at 4:09 PM, Randy Bush wrote: Well, if you have followed the news, it comes down to the fact that some of our old friends from WSIS/WGIG/IGF+ICANN/GAC we're the government and we like the idea of being in charge friends are at it again. In one corner, Brazil, China, South

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread Bryan Fields
On 12/19/2010 20:09, Leo Bicknell wrote: They have been granted a monopoly by the local government for wireline services, and in exchange for that monopoly need to act in the public's interest. In the TV world this is things like running the local community interest channel, and paying a

Re: UN mulls internet regulation options

2010-12-19 Thread John Curran
On Dec 19, 2010, at 7:43 PM, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote: fred, and others with (misspent) wsis++ / ig++ travel nickles, it would _really_ help me if you provided more context, off-line if necessary, as i spent the week before last more involved with the gac than at any prior point in my

RE: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread George Bonser
Google finds some: http://www.cityofpaloalto.org/civica/filebank/blobdload.asp?BlobID=7364 The Franchise Agreement requires ATT to pay the City $0.88 per residential subscriber per month to maintain and enhance PEG access services provided by MPAC. ATT has chosen to pass this $0.88 fee on

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 08:20:49PM -0500, Bryan Fields wrote: The government granting a monopoly is the problem, and more lame government regulation is not the solution. Let everyone compete on a level playing field, not by allowing one company to buy a monopoly enforced by men with

RE: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread George Bonser
Personally I think the right answer is to enforce a legal separation between the layer 1 and layer 3 infrastructure providers, and require that the layer 1 network provide non-discriminatory access to any company who wishes to provide IP to the end user. But that would take a lot of work to

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 08:20:49PM -0500, Bryan Fields wrote: The government granting a monopoly is the problem, and more lame government regulation is not the solution. Let everyone compete on a level playing field, not by allowing one company to buy a monopoly enforced

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread JC Dill
On 19/12/10 5:48 PM, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 08:20:49PM -0500, Bryan Fields wrote: The government granting a monopoly is the problem, and more lame government regulation is not the solution. Let everyone compete on a level playing field, not by allowing one

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread Randy Bush
Personally I think the right answer is to enforce a legal separation between the layer 1 and layer 3 infrastructure providers, and require that the layer 1 network provide non-discriminatory access to any company who wishes to provide IP to the end user. SE

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread David Conrad
On Dec 19, 2010, at 4:12 PM, JC Dill wrote: And if a competing water service thought they could do better than the incumbent, why not let them put in a competing water project? Because they'd have to dig up the streets, people's yards, etc. to do it. There really are some natural

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 05:58:26PM -0800, Leo Bicknell wrote: I dream of a day where we have municipal fiber to the home, leased to any ISP who wants to show up at the local central office for a dollar a two a month so there can be true competition in end-user services. Take a second and

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 06:12:02PM -0800, JC Dill wrote: And if a competing water service thought they could do better than the incumbent, why not let them put in a competing water project? If they think they can make money after the cost of the infrastructure, then they may be onto

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 12/19/10 6:12 PM, JC Dill wrote: On 19/12/10 5:48 PM, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 08:20:49PM -0500, Bryan Fields wrote: The government granting a monopoly is the problem, and more lame government regulation is not the solution. Let everyone compete on a level

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread Jeffrey S. Young
one of the most interesting things about coming to Australia (after working in the USA telecom industry for 20 years) was the opportunity to see such a proposal (the NBN) put into practice. who knows if the NBN will be quite what everyone hopes, but the premise is sound, the last mile is a

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, JC Dill jcdill.li...@gmail.com said: Why not open up the market for telco wiring and just see what happens? There might be 5 or perhaps even 10 players who try to enter the market, but there won't be 50 - it simply won't make financial sense for additional players to try

RE: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread George Bonser
I believe that 'competition' in the last mile is a red herring that simply maintains the status quo (which for many broadband consumers is woefully inadequate). I agree with you that the USA has too many lobbyists to ever put such a proposal in place, the telecoms in a large number of

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread Mike
On 12/19/2010 06:12 PM, JC Dill wrote: And if a competing water service thought they could do better than the incumbent, why not let them put in a competing water project? If they think they can make money after the cost of the infrastructure, then they may be onto something. We don't have to

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread Owen DeLong
On Dec 19, 2010, at 5:50 PM, George Bonser wrote: Personally I think the right answer is to enforce a legal separation between the layer 1 and layer 3 infrastructure providers, and require that the layer 1 network provide non-discriminatory access to any company who wishes to provide IP to

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread Owen DeLong
On Dec 19, 2010, at 6:12 PM, JC Dill wrote: On 19/12/10 5:48 PM, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 08:20:49PM -0500, Bryan Fields wrote: The government granting a monopoly is the problem, and more lame government regulation is not the solution. Let everyone compete on a

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread Owen DeLong
On Dec 19, 2010, at 6:21 PM, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 05:58:26PM -0800, Leo Bicknell wrote: I dream of a day where we have municipal fiber to the home, leased to any ISP who wants to show up at the local central office for a dollar a two a month so there can

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread JC Dill
On 19/12/10 6:25 PM, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 06:12:02PM -0800, JC Dill wrote: And if a competing water service thought they could do better than the incumbent, why not let them put in a competing water project? If they think they can make money after the cost of

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread JC Dill
On 19/12/10 8:31 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, JC Dilljcdill.li...@gmail.com said: Why not open up the market for telco wiring and just see what happens? There might be 5 or perhaps even 10 players who try to enter the market, but there won't be 50 - it simply won't make financial

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread JC Dill
On 19/12/10 8:44 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: You can send letters Technically, this is illegal. You can send documents via FedEx and UPS. just as well as packages via the other carriers. The USPS monopoly on first class mail is absurd. In fact, FedEx, UPS, et. al could offer a $0.44 letter

RE: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread George Bonser
You can send letters just as well as packages via the other carriers. The USPS monopoly on first class mail is absurd. In fact, FedEx, UPS, et. al could offer a $0.44 letter product if they wanted to. There are certain legalities involved with first class mail that is not the same with

RE: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread George Bonser
Yes... This is where the market makes it best philosophy fails. When the market has become entrenched in one way of doing things, a better way can face serious opposition because of this very fact. The problem is that we don't *have* a market in many places. We have a monopoly provider and

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread Randy Bush
There were streets where you couldn't hardly see the sky because of all the wires on the poles. Can you provide a link to a photo of this situation? come to tokyo. or hcmc. or ... it's an art form.

RE: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread George Bonser
There were streets where you couldn't hardly see the sky because of all the wires on the poles. Can you provide a link to a photo of this situation? come to tokyo. or hcmc. or ... it's an art form. C 1925 when each subscriber (or party line) had their own pair:

blackhole-1.iana.org and blackhole-1.iana.org servers are down?

2010-12-19 Thread Oleg A. Arkhangelsky
Hello, It seems that 192.175.48.6 and 192.175.48.42 not replying to RFC1918 addresses DNS-reverse lookups. Does anybody noticed this? -- wbr, Oleg.

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread Randy Bush
http://pinkbunnyears.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/telephone-pole.jpg true beauty that only a perl code maintainer could fully appreciate

Re: blackhole-1.iana.org and blackhole-1.iana.org servers are down?

2010-12-19 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 132161292830...@web62.yandex.ru, \Oleg A. Arkhangelsky\ writes : Hello, It seems that 192.175.48.6 and 192.175.48.42 not replying to RFC1918 addresses DNS-reverse lookups. Does anybody noticed this? These machines are anycast and run by multiple operators. You will need to

Re: blackhole-1.iana.org and blackhole-1.iana.org servers are down?

2010-12-19 Thread Jeroen Massar
On 2010-12-20 08:36, Oleg A. Arkhangelsky wrote: Hello, It seems that 192.175.48.6 and 192.175.48.42 not replying to RFC1918 addresses DNS-reverse lookups. Does anybody noticed this? As those addresses are generally hosted by AS112 instances (see http://www.as112.net) it depends to which

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

2010-12-19 Thread Matthew Petach
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Richard A Steenbergen r...@e-gerbil.net wrote: On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 05:58:26PM -0800, Leo Bicknell wrote: I dream of a day where we have municipal fiber to the home, leased to any ISP who wants to show up at the local central office for a dollar a two a