Re: [Nanog-futures] an alternate proposal for NewNOG ’s membership structure

2010-12-28 Thread laperriere . sylvie
Hi, Early bird registrations provide cash flow to make hotel deposit commitments. If all members get early birds rate and register at the last possible minute, that dings the cash flow and increase liabilities for the organizers. One month before the conference, we typically need to have

Re: [Nanog-futures] an alternate proposal for NewNOG ’s membership structure

2010-12-28 Thread Jay Hennigan
On 12/28/10 10:13 AM, laperriere.syl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Early bird registrations provide cash flow to make hotel deposit commitments. If all members get early birds rate and register at the last possible minute, that dings the cash flow and increase liabilities for the organizers.

Re: [Nanog-futures] an alternate proposal for NewNOG's membership structure

2010-12-28 Thread Brian Johnson
SNIP If the membership dues are greater than the sum of early bird differentials for meetings attended in a year, then it makes financial sense NOT to join if you lose the early bird benefit. SNIP Jay- I see your point here, but I would just also like to point out that I would think

Intelsat

2010-12-28 Thread Richard Graves (RHT)
Is there a contact on the list for Intelsat Corporation? If so, please contact me off-line. Thanks, Richard rgra...@vysystems.net

RE: Public Wireless access (ticket / token / schedule based)

2010-12-28 Thread Stefan Fouant
-Original Message- From: Robert E. Seastrom [mailto:r...@seastrom.com] Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 11:51 PM To: Bill Lewis Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Public Wireless access (ticket / token / schedule based) Is there some reason you can't run it wide open without even so

Re: Public Wireless access (ticket / token / schedule based)

2010-12-28 Thread Jeff Kell
On 12/28/2010 11:18 AM, Stefan Fouant wrote: Leave things wide open on a sandboxed subnet with the usual protections (rate limits, blocked ports), IMO is the easiest approach... One concern in higher ed that was amplified by CALEA was the notion that an open network precluded you from the

Re: Public Wireless access (ticket / token / schedule based)

2010-12-28 Thread james
We've had some good success with the Cisco wireless LAN controllers in our office. The reception staff are given Lobby Admin access that let's them create users with a default expiry of a day (but can go up to 90 days I think). The wireless is technically open, but they can't do anything until

RE: Public Wireless access (ticket / token / schedule based)

2010-12-28 Thread Stefan Fouant
-Original Message- From: ja...@jamesstewartsmith.com [mailto:ja...@jamesstewartsmith.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 11:55 AM To: Bill Lewis; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Public Wireless access (ticket / token / schedule based) We've had some good success with the Cisco

Re: Wireless IPv6

2010-12-28 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Cameron Byrne cb.li...@gmail.com wrote: Folks, I googled around and could not find anything on this.  Can anyone share their experience with IPv6 on the Verizon's LTE network?  It is I had thought the capable devices weren't hitting the market for ~2-3 weeks

Re: Wireless IPv6

2010-12-28 Thread Jima
On 12/28/2010 09:58 AM, Cameron Byrne wrote: I googled around and could not find anything on this. Can anyone share their experience with IPv6 on the Verizon's LTE network? It is my understanding that it would be a dual-stack service, but i have not seen any screenshots or reviews that

Re: Wireless IPv6

2010-12-28 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 12:49:37 EST, Christopher Morrow said: on this, I HOPE vzw does the right thing and launches with v4/v6 dualstack on the devices in all regions where deployment happens. I don't have much hope that this will actually happen though :( Personally, I hope they roll it out a

Re: Wireless IPv6

2010-12-28 Thread Cameron Byrne
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 10:15 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 12:49:37 EST, Christopher Morrow said: on this, I HOPE vzw does the right thing and launches with v4/v6 dualstack on the devices in all regions where deployment happens. I don't have much hope that this will

Re: Wireless IPv6

2010-12-28 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Tue, 28 Dec 2010, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: Rolling a totally new thing out to 100% of the user base on the same day will rarely end well. If this is LTE only the it's a totally new thing anyway and I doubt some extra IPv6 troubles will hurt that much more :P -- Mikael Abrahamsson

Re: Wireless IPv6

2010-12-28 Thread Richard Barnes
FWIW, the same does not appear to be true of the Verizon 3G network. (Not that anyone expected it to be.) My VZW device has a NATted v4 address and only link-local v6. On Dec 28, 2010 1:26 PM, Cameron Byrne cb.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 10:15 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu

Re: Wireless IPv6

2010-12-28 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 1:15 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 12:49:37 EST, Christopher Morrow said: on this, I HOPE vzw does the right thing and launches with v4/v6 dualstack on the devices in all regions where deployment happens. I ^^ (note

RE: Public Wireless access (ticket / token / schedule based)

2010-12-28 Thread Martin Hotze
-Original Message- From: Bill Lewis ble...@hottopic.com Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 12:15:55 To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Public Wireless access (ticket / token / schedule based) What is everyone using for enterprise grade wireless authentication for simple public access (i.e. users

Re: Wireless IPv6

2010-12-28 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 12/28/10 10:35 AM, Richard Barnes wrote: FWIW, the same does not appear to be true of the Verizon 3G network. (Not that anyone expected it to be.) My VZW device has a NATted v4 address and only link-local v6. lack of a chipset support is a notable problem there joel On Dec 28, 2010

Re: .gov DNSSEC operational message

2010-12-28 Thread Doug Barton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 12/26/2010 09:07, Matt Larson wrote: | On Thu, 23 Dec 2010, Jay Ashworth wrote: | From: Matt Larsonmlar...@verisign.com | | The new KSK will not be published in an authenticated manner outside | DNS (e.g., on an SSL-protected web page). Rather,

Re: Wireless IPv6

2010-12-28 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 13:54:38 EST, Christopher Morrow said: On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 1:15 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 12:49:37 EST, Christopher Morrow said: on this, I HOPE vzw does the right thing and launches with v4/v6 dualstack on the devices in all regions

Re: Wireless IPv6

2010-12-28 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 3:20 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 13:54:38 EST, Christopher Morrow said: On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 1:15 PM,  valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 12:49:37 EST, Christopher Morrow said: on this, I HOPE vzw does the right thing

Re: Wireless IPv6

2010-12-28 Thread Ryan Rawdon
I believe Verizon's specs for 4G devices required v6 support from the start: http://www.personal.psu.edu/dvm105/blogs/ipv6/2009/06/verizon-mandates-ipv6-support.html I seem to recall IPv6 support being a requirement for smartphones on their 3G network as well, but I can't find a reference for

off topic - purchase Cisco GLC-LH-SM in ashburn, VA area

2010-12-28 Thread Mike Gatti
Would anyone know were I could purchase a Cisco GLC-LH-SM Gbic in the ashburn, sterling, VA area ? =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Michael Gatti cell.703.347.4412 ekim.it...@gmail.com =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=

Re: .gov DNSSEC operational message - picking a fight

2010-12-28 Thread bmanning
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:41:18AM -0800, Doug Barton wrote: Now OTOH if someone wants to demonstrate the value in having a publication channel for TLD DNSKEYs outside of the root zone, I'm certainly willing to listen. Just be forewarned that you will have an uphill battle in trying to prove

Re: .gov DNSSEC operational message - picking a fight

2010-12-28 Thread Doug Barton
On 12/28/2010 14:46, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:41:18AM -0800, Doug Barton wrote: Now OTOH if someone wants to demonstrate the value in having a publication channel for TLD DNSKEYs outside of the root zone, I'm certainly willing to listen. Just be

medicare.gov / cms.gov DNSSEC Validation Failures

2010-12-28 Thread Richard Laager
I'm looking for a DNS contact for medicare.gov (and cms.gov). They are failing DNSSEC validation. Emails to hostmaster, webmaster, and postmaster bounce, as does dnsad...@rdcms.eds.com (from their SOA) and dnsad...@eds.com (from eds.com's WHOIS). WHOIS for .gov is essentially empty.

Re: medicare.gov / cms.gov DNSSEC Validation Failures

2010-12-28 Thread Nate Itkin
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 06:39:21PM -0600, Richard Laager wrote: I'm looking for a DNS contact for medicare.gov (and cms.gov). They are failing DNSSEC validation. Ditto. Similar to uspto.gov not too long ago. Try posting to dns-operations.

Re: .gov DNSSEC operational message

2010-12-28 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Matt Larson mlar...@verisign.com On Thu, 23 Dec 2010, Jay Ashworth wrote: From: Matt Larson mlar...@verisign.com The new KSK will not be published in an authenticated manner outside DNS (e.g., on an SSL-protected web page). Rather, the intended

Re: .gov DNSSEC operational message

2010-12-28 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Florian Weimer f...@deneb.enyo.de That sounds like a policy decision... and I'm not sure I think it sounds like a *good* policy decision, but since no reasons were provided, it's difficult to tell. I don't know if it influenced the policy decision, but

Re: Muni Fiber Last Mile - a contrary opinion

2010-12-28 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net During the northeast power outage the biggest local problem was inability to pump gas out of underground tanks. The margin at the stations is low enough it's not worth it to have generators. Best off having the pipeline

Re: .gov DNSSEC operational message

2010-12-28 Thread Kevin Oberman
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 21:17:57 -0500 (EST) From: Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com - Original Message - From: Florian Weimer f...@deneb.enyo.de That sounds like a policy decision... and I'm not sure I think it sounds like a *good* policy decision, but since no reasons were

Re: .gov DNSSEC operational message

2010-12-28 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Doug Barton do...@dougbarton.us Now OTOH if someone wants to demonstrate the value in having a publication channel for TLD DNSKEYs outside of the root zone, I'm certainly willing to listen. Just be forewarned that you will have an uphill battle in trying to

Re: .gov DNSSEC operational message

2010-12-28 Thread Jay Ashworth
Original Message - From: Kevin Oberman ober...@es.net There is no reason that you could not do OOB transfers of keys, but it would be so cumbersome with the need to maintain keys for every TLD (and, for that matter, every zone under them) and deal with key rolls at random intervals

Re: .gov DNSSEC operational message

2010-12-28 Thread Kevin Oberman
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 22:34:20 -0500 (EST) From: Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com Original Message - From: Kevin Oberman ober...@es.net There is no reason that you could not do OOB transfers of keys, but it would be so cumbersome with the need to maintain keys for every TLD

Re: .gov DNSSEC operational message

2010-12-28 Thread bmanning
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 08:07:22PM -0800, Kevin Oberman wrote: Yes, having a verifiable source of keys OOB might have a small bit of value, but, assuming we get general adoption of RFC 5011, I think it's pretty limited value. Of course, this begs the question, how do we do a better job of

Re: medicare.gov / cms.gov DNSSEC Validation Failures

2010-12-28 Thread William Warren
On 12/28/2010 8:43 PM, Nate Itkin wrote: On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 06:39:21PM -0600, Richard Laager wrote: I'm looking for a DNS contact for medicare.gov (and cms.gov). They are failing DNSSEC validation. Ditto. Similar to uspto.gov not too long ago. Try posting to dns-operations.

5.7/5.8 GHz 802.11n dual polarity MIMO through office building glass, 1.5 km distance

2010-12-28 Thread Anonymous List User
For architectural and building management reasons we cannot mount our antennas in a rooftop or outdoor location at either end. The distance between two buildings is 1.5 km, and the fresnel zone is clear. Antennas need to be located indoors at both ends and will be placed on small speaker stand

Re: 5.7/5.8 GHz 802.11n dual polarity MIMO through office building glass, 1.5 km distance

2010-12-28 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Tue, 28 Dec 2010, Anonymous List User wrote: For architectural and building management reasons we cannot mount our antennas in a rooftop or outdoor location at either end. The distance between two buildings is 1.5 km, and the fresnel zone is clear. Antennas need to be located indoors at

Re: 5.7/5.8 GHz 802.11n dual polarity MIMO through office building glass, 1.5 km distance

2010-12-28 Thread Michael Painter
Anonymous List User wrote: For architectural and building management reasons we cannot mount our antennas in a rooftop or outdoor location at either end. The distance between two buildings is 1.5 km, and the fresnel zone is clear. Antennas need to be located indoors at both ends and will be

Re: 5.7/5.8 GHz 802.11n dual polarity MIMO through office building glass, 1.5 km distance

2010-12-28 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 12/28/10 8:48 PM, Anonymous List User wrote: For architectural and building management reasons we cannot mount our antennas in a rooftop or outdoor location at either end. The distance between two buildings is 1.5 km, and the fresnel zone is clear. Antennas need to be located indoors at

Re: 5.7/5.8 GHz 802.11n dual polarity MIMO through office building glass, 1.5 km distance

2010-12-28 Thread Wayne E. Bouchard
Codes are usually defined in one of two ways... Either cannot be above the building parapet or cannot be visible from the street below (which allows you to position a stant at the center of the roof so you can clear the parapet) but when talking to building management, it can very easily be, can't