Re: BGP Design question.

2011-06-23 Thread Hank Nussbacher
At 20:42 22/06/2011 -0700, Jason Roysdon wrote: Let me be a bit of a heretic here. How often does your router fail? Or your firewall? In the 25 years I have gone into customers I have found when they did a cross setup as proposed below by Bret and Jason, only one person truly knew the

Re: ICANN to allow commercial gTLDs

2011-06-23 Thread Jorge Amodio
Well I just asked the question during the Getting Ready panel at the ICANN 41 meeting. Q: How much on top of the $185K is required for a new gTLD Answers: It is hard to say, too many variables, biz plan dependencies, if the string will be contended it can go to a more complex/costly process,

Re: BGP Design question.

2011-06-23 Thread Bret Palsson
That's fine if you are running a website. When it comes to telecommunications, a 15 minute outage is pretty huge. Especially with certain types of customers: emergency services for example. -Bret On Jun 23, 2011, at 12:02 AM, Hank Nussbacher wrote: At 20:42 22/06/2011 -0700, Jason Roysdon

Re: ICANN to allow commercial gTLDs

2011-06-23 Thread brunner
Well I just asked the question during the Getting Ready panel at the ICANN 41 meeting. keep in mind that the venues for asking precise questions for the purpose of obtaining accurate answers of record are tdg-legal, or the saturday gnso gtld hours (the kurt show). Q: How much on top of the

Re: ICANN to allow commercial gTLDs

2011-06-23 Thread Jorge Amodio
keep in mind that the venues for asking precise questions for the purpose of obtaining accurate answers of record are tdg-legal, or the saturday gnso gtld hours (the kurt show). Kurt Show that's a good one. I was not expecting any elaborated response, just see if anybody on that panel had a

Re: ICANN to allow commercial gTLDs

2011-06-23 Thread brunner
Lets say I want to apply for .WINE with commercial purposes, then what is a ballpark figure for the funds/investment required ? My guess, it is way way above the $185K assuming no defect in the application, necessitiating a second bite at the apple, at cost (extended eval), and no objections

Re: BGP Design question.

2011-06-23 Thread -Hammer-
Agreed. At an enterprise level, there is no need to risk extended downtime to save a buck or two. Redundant hardware is always a good way to keep Murphy out of the equation. And as far as hardware failures go, it's not that common. Nowadays it's the bugs in overly complicated code on your gear

ping me please...

2011-06-23 Thread Eric J Esslinger
I have just turned up and migrated to a new circuit. I'm getting a few reports from one customer that some of his users are unable to reach his system. If I could get people on the list to ping 65.5.48.2, and if it fails, to do a traceroute and email it to me offlist? I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

RE: ping me please...

2011-06-23 Thread Neil Robst
Works from here (AS30914) Regards, Neil -Original Message- From: Eric J Esslinger [mailto:eesslin...@fpu-tn.com] Sent: 23 June 2011 14:08 To: 'nanog@nanog.org' Subject: ping me please... I have just turned up and migrated to a new circuit. I'm getting a few reports from one

Re: ping me please...

2011-06-23 Thread Jay Nakamura
You may want to take a look at traceroute.org and use the many sites listed there. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Eric J Esslinger eesslin...@fpu-tn.com wrote: I have just turned up and migrated to a new circuit. I'm getting a few reports from one customer that some of his users are unable

Re: ping me please...

2011-06-23 Thread Sasa Ristic
works from AS15982 [admin@router] ping 65.5.48.2 65.5.48.2 64 byte ping: ttl=245 time=141 ms 65.5.48.2 64 byte ping: ttl=245 time=141 ms 65.5.48.2 64 byte ping: ttl=245 time=141 ms 65.5.48.2 64 byte ping: ttl=245 time=141 ms 4 packets transmitted, 4 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip

Re: ping me please...

2011-06-23 Thread Jon Lewis
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011, Eric J Esslinger wrote: I have just turned up and migrated to a new circuit. I'm getting a few reports from one customer that some of his users are unable to reach his system. If I could get people on the list to ping 65.5.48.2, and if it fails, to do a traceroute and

RE: ping me please... Think I've got enough data, thanks

2011-06-23 Thread Eric J Esslinger
-Original Message- From: Eric J Esslinger [mailto:eesslin...@fpu-tn.com] Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 8:08 AM To: 'nanog@nanog.org' Subject: ping me please... I have just turned up and migrated to a new circuit. I'm getting a few reports from one customer that some of his users

Re: BGP Design question.

2011-06-23 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 07:44:33 CDT, -Hammer- said: Agreed. At an enterprise level, there is no need to risk extended downtime to save a buck or two. Redundant hardware is always a good way to keep Murphy out of the equation. And as far as hardware failures go, it's not that common. Nowadays

Re: ping me please...

2011-06-23 Thread Bacon Zombie
Reachable from Ireland using Eircom AS5466. Host is up (0.029s latency). Not shown: 64531 filtered ports, 1002 closed ports PORT STATE SERVICEVERSION 443/tcp open ssl/http Cisco ASA firewall http config (Cisco AWARE 2.0) |_http-methods: No Allow or Public header in OPTIONS response

RE: ping me please...

2011-06-23 Thread Jean Clery
Hi, From France provider Orange echo request reply ok with 700ms Regards, __ Jean CLERY Technical Dep. GSM : +33 628 553 540 Support : +33 491 100 441 -Message d'origine- De : Eric J Esslinger [mailto:eesslin...@fpu-tn.com] Envoyé : jeudi 23 juin 2011

Re: BGP Design question.

2011-06-23 Thread -Hammer-
HaHa! I agree with keeping it simple. I keep my routers simple. I keep my switches simple. Sometimes it's not as easy on a Layer 7 FW or a load balancer. So plan accordingly. :) -Hammer- On 06/23/2011 08:59 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 07:44:33 CDT, -Hammer-

[NANOG-announce] NANOG 53 Call For Presentations available!

2011-06-23 Thread David Meyer
Folks, The Call for Presentations for NANOG 53 is up on http://nanog.org/meetings/nanog53/callforpresent.php Looking forward to your submissions and seeing you all in Philadelphia. Dave (for the NANOG PC) ___ NANOG-announce mailing list

Re: ICANN to allow commercial gTLDs

2011-06-23 Thread John Levine
Lets say I want to apply for .WINE with commercial purposes, then what is a ballpark figure for the funds/investment required ? I wouldn't try it with less than a million bucks in hand. Beyond the ICANN application nonsense, you'd also want to budget something for running and promoting it for

Re: Yup; the Internet is screwed up.

2011-06-23 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 6/22/11 3:07 PM, Joe Greco wrote: Your average person cares a whole lot less about what's crossing their Internet connection than they care about whether or not this works than I do. I continue to be amazed at the quality of Netflix video coming across the wire. Our local cable company

Re: BGP Design question.

2011-06-23 Thread Owen DeLong
Except in those (becoming less rare than hardware failure) instances where the software controlling the failover process is the actual cause of the outage. Owen On Jun 23, 2011, at 5:44 AM, -Hammer- wrote: Agreed. At an enterprise level, there is no need to risk extended downtime to save a

Re: BGP Design question.

2011-06-23 Thread -Hammer-
True True. I've seen that before as well. Actually I've seen it more with various vendors implementations of VRRP than I have with Cisco HSRP or Juniper NSRP. But it seems to me more or less that most issues we deal with these days are software related bugs as opposed to hardware related

Re: BGP Design question.

2011-06-23 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jun 23, 2011, at 6:59 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 07:44:33 CDT, -Hammer- said: Agreed. At an enterprise level, there is no need to risk extended downtime to save a buck or two. Redundant hardware is always a good way to keep Murphy out of the equation. And as

Re: Yup; the Internet is screwed up.

2011-06-23 Thread Jeroen van Aart
Joe Greco wrote: toddlers around and drive to and from work. An SUV in almost all cases is added luxury. My SUV carries seven passengers and allows me to haul gear including conduit, lumber, ladders, etc. It's actively dangerous to do some of these things in a sedan. Hence I said in almost

IPv6 words

2011-06-23 Thread Jeroen van Aart
I am sure it has come up a number of times, but with IPv6 you can make up fancy addresses that are (almost) complete words or phrases. Making it almost as easy to remember as the resolved name. It'd be nice in a weird geek sort of way (but totally impractical) to be able to request IPv6

Re: IPv6 words

2011-06-23 Thread Paul Graydon
On 06/23/2011 12:10 PM, Jeroen van Aart wrote: I am sure it has come up a number of times, but with IPv6 you can make up fancy addresses that are (almost) complete words or phrases. Making it almost as easy to remember as the resolved name. It'd be nice in a weird geek sort of way (but

Re: IPv6 words

2011-06-23 Thread William F. Maton Sotomayor
(Warning: This email contains scenes of flashbacks) On Thu, 23 Jun 2011, Jeroen van Aart wrote: I am sure it has come up a number of times, but with IPv6 you can make up fancy addresses that are (almost) complete words or phrases. Making it almost as easy to remember as the resolved name.

Re: IPv6 words

2011-06-23 Thread Pete Carah
On 06/23/2011 06:16 PM, Paul Graydon wrote: On 06/23/2011 12:10 PM, Jeroen van Aart wrote: I am sure it has come up a number of times, but with IPv6 you can make up fancy addresses that are (almost) complete words or phrases. Making it almost as easy to remember as the resolved name. It'd be

Re: IPv6 words

2011-06-23 Thread Fred Baker
On Jun 23, 2011, at 3:23 PM, Pete Carah wrote: On 06/23/2011 06:16 PM, Paul Graydon wrote: On 06/23/2011 12:10 PM, Jeroen van Aart wrote: I am sure it has come up a number of times, but with IPv6 you can make up fancy addresses that are (almost) complete words or phrases. Making it almost

Re: IPv6 words

2011-06-23 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Jeroen van Aart jer...@mompl.net wrote: I am sure it has come up a number of times, but with IPv6 you can make up fancy addresses that are (almost) complete words or phrases. Making it almost as easy to remember as the resolved name. It'd be nice in a weird

Re: ICANN to allow commercial gTLDs

2011-06-23 Thread Jorge Amodio
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 12:10 PM, John Levine jo...@iecc.com wrote: Lets say I want to apply for .WINE with commercial purposes, then what is a ballpark figure for the funds/investment required ? I wouldn't try it with less than a million bucks in hand.  Beyond the ICANN application nonsense,

Re: IPv6 words

2011-06-23 Thread Jeroen van Aart
William Herrin wrote: On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Jeroen van Aart jer...@mompl.net wrote: able to request IPv6 blocks that have some sort of fancy name of your choice. 4-character or shorter hex words, for your reference: aced ace5 ac1d :-D Thanks. I wonder about 2001:db8 The

Re: IPv6 words

2011-06-23 Thread Scott Weeks
2607:f9a0::f0c:0ff ;-) scott

Re: ICANN to allow commercial gTLDs

2011-06-23 Thread brunner
My perception is that if you don't have access to ~$2M for that kind of gTLD don't even waste your time. you may want to consult with a practitioner in the jurisdiction of your choice who does business organization and investor equity structures, as the cost to acquire a right to contract for a

Re: Yup; the Internet is screwed up.

2011-06-23 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 6/22/2011 14:33, Nathan Eisenberg wrote: I agree, the whole use of the terms 'need' and 'want' in this conversation are ridiculous. It's the Internet. The entire thing isn't a 'need'. It's not like life support or something that will cause loss of life if it isn't there. The only

Re: IPv6 words

2011-06-23 Thread Ben Carleton
That one would be good for a firewall/IDS setup... Oh rats, our attack was stopped by a firewall at... HEY! :-D bc -Original Message- From: Scott Weeks sur...@mauigateway.com Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 7:59pm To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: IPv6 words 2607:f9a0::f0c:0ff ;-)

Re: Yup; the Internet is screwed up.

2011-06-23 Thread mikea
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 05:47:18PM -0700, Seth Mattinen wrote: On 6/22/2011 14:33, Nathan Eisenberg wrote: I agree, the whole use of the terms 'need' and 'want' in this conversation are ridiculous. It's the Internet. The entire thing isn't a 'need'. It's not like life support or

RE: ping me please...

2011-06-23 Thread Daniel Espejel
Pinging behind my natted ISP conection (AS22566), seems to work: $ ping 65.5.48.2 PING 65.5.48.2 (65.5.48.2) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from 65.5.48.2: icmp_seq=1 ttl=240 time=72.5 ms 64 bytes from 65.5.48.2: icmp_seq=2 ttl=240 time=72.9 ms 64 bytes from 65.5.48.2: icmp_seq=3 ttl=240

RE: Yup; the Internet is screwed up.

2011-06-23 Thread Erik Amundson
My big concern with pitiful low speed upstream speed is the whole 'cloud' movement. Every one will have all of their 'data' in the 'cloud' sooner than we all think, and that involves uploading it from their PC to the 'cloud'. For instance, I use a 'cloud' drive to backup bunches of data