Re: Is Hotmail in the habit of ignoring MX records?

2012-07-27 Thread Michael J Wise
On Jul 27, 2012, at 8:47 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: > In message <25f0b21a-0319-45e3-9dbf-9906cb77a...@kapu.net>, Michael J Wise > writ > es: >> >> On Jul 27, 2012, at 6:40 PM, David Miller wrote: >> >>> MX records don't "chain". >> >> But they do, "Expand". >> And I can think of a way whereby i

Re: Is Hotmail in the habit of ignoring MX records?

2012-07-27 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <25f0b21a-0319-45e3-9dbf-9906cb77a...@kapu.net>, Michael J Wise writ es: > > On Jul 27, 2012, at 6:40 PM, David Miller wrote: > > > MX records don't "chain". > > But they do, "Expand". > And I can think of a way whereby if an MX record referenced itself, = > *AND* included something

Dreamhost in the house?

2012-07-27 Thread Jon Lewis
If anyone from Dreamhost participates here, I'd like to talk about an apparent routing issue you may have with reaching anything originating in AS6364. Specifically, I'm able to reach IPs in 208.113.240.0/24 from off-net (outside AS6364) machines, and from a customer owned CIDR to which we pro

Re: Is Hotmail in the habit of ignoring MX records?

2012-07-27 Thread Michael J Wise
On Jul 27, 2012, at 6:40 PM, David Miller wrote: > MX records don't "chain". But they do, "Expand". And I can think of a way whereby if an MX record referenced itself, *AND* included something extra … (did you see the something extra?) That it would be possible (and I'm not saying this is what

Re: Is Hotmail in the habit of ignoring MX records?

2012-07-27 Thread David Miller
On 7/27/2012 9:00 PM, Jimmy Hess wrote: > On 7/27/12, Tony Finch wrote: >> That would be a seriously broken violation of the SMTP specification. > I would definitely agree it would be quite broken behavior, but you > know, I never said Hotmail's processing wasn't broken -- only that > they seem

Re: Is Hotmail in the habit of ignoring MX records?

2012-07-27 Thread Jimmy Hess
On 7/27/12, Tony Finch wrote: > That would be a seriously broken violation of the SMTP specification. I would definitely agree it would be quite broken behavior, but you know, I never said Hotmail's processing wasn't broken -- only that they seem to honor MX records in the common case.If yo

Re: Is Hotmail in the habit of ignoring MX records?

2012-07-27 Thread Tony Finch
That would be a seriously broken violation of the SMTP specification. Tony. -- f.anthony.n.finchhttp://dotat.at/ On 26 Jul 2012, at 08:21, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > If the MX records are not responsive / timing out, they might be falling > back to the A record. > > On Thu, Jul 26, 20

The Cidr Report

2012-07-27 Thread cidr-report
This report has been generated at Fri Jul 27 21:13:00 2012 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org for a current version of this report. Recent Table History Date

BGP Update Report

2012-07-27 Thread cidr-report
BGP Update Report Interval: 21-Jul-12 -to- 26-Jul-12 (5 days) Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS131072 TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS Rank ASNUpds % Upds/PfxAS-Name 1 - AS163739517 1.6% 365.9 -- DNIC-AS-01637 - Headquarters, USAISC 2 - AS17813

Weekly Routing Table Report

2012-07-27 Thread Routing Analysis Role Account
This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. The posting is sent to APOPS, NANOG, AfNOG, AusNOG, SANOG, PacNOG, LacNOG, TRNOG, CaribNOG and the RIPE Routing Working Group. Daily listings are sent to bgp-st...@lists.ap

RE: Stuxnet and more

2012-07-27 Thread Scott Weeks
--- rgolod...@infratection.com wrote: From: "Richard Golodner" Grant and the rest of you NANOGERS, more regarding new problems in Iran via an F-Secure blog. Here is the link: http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/2403.html If you connect

Re: [routing-wg] The Cidr Report

2012-07-27 Thread Matthew Petach
On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Geoff Huston wrote: > Perhaps we should have newnog implement a penalty payment system for registrations; tag an extra $25 "excessive leakage" charge onto conference registrations for networks that are in the top 30 list? I worked at a network that made it onto

RE: Stuxnet and more

2012-07-27 Thread Dan Luedtke
http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/2403.html > There was also some music playing randomly on several of the > workstations during the middle of the night with the volume maxed > out. I believe it was playing 'Thunderstruck' by AC/DC. Someone "orchestratesd an attack", hmm? Nice. -- Da

Re: Rate shaping in Active E FTTx networks

2012-07-27 Thread Phil
On the downstream end the limiting is usually done on the subscriber aggregation equipment. Router vendors sell linecards with large amounts of queue capability for this reason. This is where you would introduce some kind of QoS to deal with video or voice as well. Upstream could be done the

Re: Rate shaping in Active E FTTx networks

2012-07-27 Thread Jared Mauch
Many CPE platforms have the rate limit built in. Some (eg: Zhone) do this in 1mbps increments. Ideally there would be some greater level of granularity but it seems to work. You can obviously police on the other end as well if required. Jared Mauch On Jul 26, 2012, at 3:45 PM, Jason Lixfeld

Re: Rate shaping in Active E FTTx networks

2012-07-27 Thread Jeff Kell
On 7/26/2012 11:21 PM, Erik Muller wrote: > I've seen a few deployments using Packeteer's (now BlueCoat) > PacketShaper for this purpose; the only downside I've heard with that > platform is cost. Sandvine and Fortinet are a couple other options > that have different approaches, but have a lot of

Re: Is Hotmail in the habit of ignoring MX records?

2012-07-27 Thread Scott Howard
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 7:45 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: > You don't lookup MX records for MX targets. This is basic MTA > processing. > > If the MX lookup fails, as apposed to returns nodata, you don't > lookup the A/ records and synthesis a MX record. You treat it > as a soft error and queue