Re: cost of misconfigurations

2012-08-01 Thread Simon Knight
Quantifying the business costs would be very complex. Here are some reports and research papers that may be a starting point: [1] Juniper Networks, Inc., “What's Behind Network Downtime?,” pp. 1–12, May 2008. [2] R. Mahajan, D. Wetherall, and T. Anderson, “Understanding BGP misconfiguratio

Re: Fyi...

2012-08-01 Thread Robert Mathews (OSIA)
On 8/1/2012 10:32 PM, steve pirk [egrep] wrote: > On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Robert Mathews (OSIA) > mailto:math...@hawaii.edu>> wrote: > > > It it is of interest... > > > https://www.change.org/petitions/from-educause-higher-ed-wireless-networking-admin-group > > > > I was not a

Re: Fyi...

2012-08-01 Thread steve pirk [egrep]
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Robert Mathews (OSIA) wrote: > > It it is of interest... > > > https://www.change.org/petitions/from-educause-higher-ed-wireless-networking-admin-group I was not aware of this limitation. Android and other Chrome devices do not have issues like these. Wow. --ste

Re: Update from the NANOG Communications Committee regarding recent off-topic posts

2012-08-01 Thread Scott Noel-Hemming
On 07/30/2012 10:57 AM, Steven Noble wrote: The fix for this issue is trivial. Every new signup should require a sponsor or a deposit of funds into a new member fund. Once a member has made a relevant post regarding a NANOG related item their funds are returned. If someone spams they forfeit t

Re: cost of misconfigurations

2012-08-01 Thread George Herbert
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Diogo Montagner wrote: > Hi Darius, > > You are right. The lost of a customer due to those things. However, I > would classify this as an unknown situation (in terms of risk > analisys) because the others I mentioned are possible to calculate and > estimate (they ar

Re: cost of misconfigurations

2012-08-01 Thread Jimmy Hess
On 8/1/12, Diogo Montagner wrote: I think it's more complicated than that, the cost of misconfiguration is almost inseparable in some cases from the cost of configuration in general.; not all misconfigs are equal, so you might want to concentrate on a specific kind of misconfiguration, or a spe

Re: UCSF Network Admin??

2012-08-01 Thread Brian Henson
also responds here in Ohio on TW On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 8:44 PM, Henry Stryker wrote: > > > On 08/01/12 16:22 , Robert Glover wrote: > > We are having issues with getting responses from these servers: > > > > NSMEDCTR1.UCSFMEDICALCENTER.ORG > > NSMEDCTR2.UCSFMEDICALCENTER.ORG > > > > Which are a

Re: UCSF Network Admin??

2012-08-01 Thread Henry Stryker
On 08/01/12 16:22 , Robert Glover wrote: > We are having issues with getting responses from these servers: > > NSMEDCTR1.UCSFMEDICALCENTER.ORG > NSMEDCTR2.UCSFMEDICALCENTER.ORG > > Which are authoritative for "ucsfmedctr.org" and "ucsfmedicalcenter.org". Those servers respond to my queries fr

Re: cost of misconfigurations

2012-08-01 Thread Diogo Montagner
Hi Darius, You are right. The lost of a customer due to those things. However, I would classify this as an unknown situation (in terms of risk analisys) because the others I mentioned are possible to calculate and estimate (they are known). But it is very hard to estimate if a customer will cancel

Re: cost of misconfigurations

2012-08-01 Thread Randy Bush
> I am looking for literature on the (monetary) costs of > misconfigurations in an operational ISP network. Are there any such > studies I can benefit from? jgs, who should know, says 42 quatloos randy

Re: cost of misconfigurations

2012-08-01 Thread Darius Jahandarie
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 8:08 PM, Diogo Montagner wrote: > A misconfiguration will, at least, impact on two points: network > outage and re-work. For the network outage, you have to use the SLAs > to calculate the cost (how much you lost from the customers' revenue) > due to that outage. On the othe

Re: cost of misconfigurations

2012-08-01 Thread Diogo Montagner
Hi Murat, I never saw any literature about this topic. But I think it is not too difficult to calculate (or estimate). A misconfiguration will, at least, impact on two points: network outage and re-work. For the network outage, you have to use the SLAs to calculate the cost (how much you lost fro

cost of misconfigurations

2012-08-01 Thread Murat Yuksel
Hi all, I am looking for literature on the (monetary) costs of misconfigurations in an operational ISP network. Are there any such studies I can benefit from? In a larger context, are there any thorough studies exploring the cost of building and running a large ISP network? Best, -Murat =

Re: UCSF Network Admin??

2012-08-01 Thread Robert Glover
On 08/01/2012 10:51 AM, Robert Glover wrote: > Hello, > > Is there anyone with clue from UCSF on-list? Or if someone knows how to > put me in contact with them, that would be great. > > We are not able to query their DNS servers from our network. We've got > users not able to access anything UC

Re: UCSF Network Admin??

2012-08-01 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <50196c8e.60...@garlic.com>, Robert Glover writes: > Hello, > > Is there anyone with clue from UCSF on-list? Or if someone knows how to > put me in contact with them, that would be great. > > We are not able to query their DNS servers from our network. We've got > users not able to

Fyi...

2012-08-01 Thread Robert Mathews (OSIA)
It it is of interest... https://www.change.org/petitions/from-educause-higher-ed-wireless-networking-admin-group All the best. -- / * Dr. Robert Mathews, D.Phil. * Distinguished Senior Research Scholar * National Security Affairs & U.S Industrial

Re: Fwd: Re: DOCSIS 3.0 & PPPoE/L2TP compatibility

2012-08-01 Thread Brian Mengel
One thing to be mindful of is that BSoD support may not be prevelant in the installed modem base of your MSO. Replacing those modems would be costly for someone. On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 10:17 AM, iptech wrote: > Hi Scott, > > Thanks for the feedback, > > yes this is how I understand it also, howe

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2012-08-01 Thread Matt Ryanczak
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Re: UCSF Network Admin??

2012-08-01 Thread Grant Ridder
Ditto on that from TWTC in Milwaukee, WI. # dig www.ucsf.edu @ucsfns2.ucsf.edu ; <<>> DiG 9.8.1-P1 <<>> www.ucsf.edu @ucsfns2.ucsf.edu ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 49793 ;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 4, ADDITIONAL

Re: UCSF Network Admin??

2012-08-01 Thread Henry Stryker
On 08/01/12 10:51 , Robert Glover wrote: > We are not able to query their DNS servers from our network. We've got > users not able to access anything UCSF due to this. I am querying them OK. I am in US AZ. I am also able to reach manana.garlic.com. [hyperion]/usr/local# dig www.ucsf.edu @uc

UCSF Network Admin??

2012-08-01 Thread Robert Glover
Hello, Is there anyone with clue from UCSF on-list? Or if someone knows how to put me in contact with them, that would be great. We are not able to query their DNS servers from our network. We've got users not able to access anything UCSF due to this. Thus far, their response has been to manua

Re: [c-nsp] DOCSIS 3.0 & PPPoE/L2TP compatibility

2012-08-01 Thread Scott Helms
I did PPPoE for open access on cable networks starting back in DOCSIS 1.0 and that (and PPTP for that matter) is a dead end IMO. Get to BSoD/TLS which is a CableLabs (the guys who write and test the DOCSIS spec) standard and will be supported on all of the D3 chassis no matter if its Arris, Ci

Re: [c-nsp] DOCSIS 3.0 & PPPoE/L2TP compatibility

2012-08-01 Thread iptech
Ray, Yes PITA indeed. Our 7200 are G2, but we were still planning on moving away from them. I presume you guys are staying on the 7200s meantime, to accomodate the PPTP requirement? Thanks, On 7/31/2012 10:35 PM, Ray Burkholder wrote: As far as I can tell, and from my conversations with th

Re: Fwd: Re: DOCSIS 3.0 & PPPoE/L2TP compatibility

2012-08-01 Thread Scott Helms
We ended up using something like this to separate out the traffic at layer 2 for each ISP: http://www.cablelabs.com/cablemodem/downloads/specs/CM-SP-L2VPN-I03-061222.pdf Look at section 5.1.2 Multiple ISP L2VPNs Basically the modems get DHCP & their config from the cable operator but the CPEs

Re: Fwd: Re: DOCSIS 3.0 & PPPoE/L2TP compatibility

2012-08-01 Thread iptech
Hi Scott, Thanks for the feedback, yes this is how I understand it also, however I find it strange that the Cisco platform designated as the future LNS will not accommodate the DOCSIS 3.0requirements - not much collaboration. There is no roadmap for introcducing PPTP on the ASR1K that I can s

Re: DOCSIS 3.0 & PPPoE/L2TP compatibility

2012-08-01 Thread iptech
Hey Michael, Thanks for the feedback. From the scenarios below, I think that option 3 would be more feasible, i.e BSoD L2VPN, via pw. Our max expected number of sessions would not exceed 10k, so probably not an hw limiting issue for us. For option 4, we cannot accommodate this, as we are mov