Re: ESR muses on, among other things, the early IETF

2012-10-06 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 06/10/2012 03:20, Jay Ashworth wrote: Those who know Fred and knew Jon personally might want to throw an oar in the water on this blog posting from last month... http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4591 not sure if it's appropriate to associate some of the prime movers of the Internet with a

Re: ESR muses on, among other things, the early IETF

2012-10-06 Thread bmanning
On Sat, Oct 06, 2012 at 10:14:41AM +0100, Nick Hilliard wrote: On 06/10/2012 03:20, Jay Ashworth wrote: Those who know Fred and knew Jon personally might want to throw an oar in the water on this blog posting from last month... http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4591 not sure if it's

news.google.com (and others)?

2012-10-06 Thread Barry Shein
This has been going on for days. We couldn't get thru to news.google.com but most everything else works. Once in a while it works. Connection is through towerstream.com. Traceroute usually seems to go through, sometimes dies somewhere out there past their network (72.14...? maybe abovenet?), no

Re: news.google.com (and others)?

2012-10-06 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Barry Shein b...@world.std.com wrote: This has been going on for days. We couldn't get thru to news.google.com but most everything else works. Once in a while it works. Connection is through towerstream.com. Traceroute usually seems to go through, sometimes

Re: IPv4 address length technical design

2012-10-06 Thread Barry Shein
It's occured to you that FQDNs contain some structured information, no? -b On October 5, 2012 at 21:47 b...@herrin.us (William Herrin) wrote: On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Barry Shein b...@world.std.com wrote: 5. Bits is bits. I don't know how to say that more clearly. Hi

Re: IPv4 address length technical design

2012-10-06 Thread George Herbert
As I said earlier, names' structure does not map to network or physical location structure. DNS is who; IP is where. Both are reasonably efficient now as separate entities. Combining them will wreck one. You're choosing to wreck routing (where), which to backbone people sounds frankly stark

Re: IPv4 address length technical design

2012-10-06 Thread Barry Shein
Well, George, you can take a new idea and run with it a bit, or just resist it right from the start. We can map from host names to ip addresses to routing actions, right? So clearly they're not unrelated or independent variables. There's a smooth function from hostname-ipaddr-routing. Take an

RE: IPv4 address length technical design

2012-10-06 Thread nanog
My money is on an epic troll. Four out of five network engineers surveyed agree their individual IP headers are best served without condiments. -Original Message- From: Jay Ashworth [mailto:j...@baylink.com] Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 2:06 PM To: NANOG Subject: Re: IPv4 address

Re: max-prefix and platform tcam limits: they are things

2012-10-06 Thread Hank Nussbacher
On Fri, 5 Oct 2012, jim deleskie wrote: Just ask yourself how many times you have seen a Godaddy IP/NOC person post anything to NANOG or to any other technical forum? -Hank Yes that math would work, but if your device can't handle 1x Internet routing and your running without some serious

Re: IPv4 address length technical design

2012-10-06 Thread Cutler James R
On Oct 6, 2012, at 2:35 PM, Barry Shein b...@world.std.com wrote, in part: We can map from host names to ip addresses to routing actions, right? So clearly they're not unrelated or independent variables. There's a smooth function from hostname-ipaddr-routing. I would suggest that this is a

Re: 100.100.0.0/24

2012-10-06 Thread Brett Frankenberger
On Fri, Oct 05, 2012 at 10:24:18AM -0500, Ben Bartsch wrote: use this: http://www.team-cymru.org/Services/Bogons/bgp.html Please tell me how I can configure my router to use that feed to automatically reject any bogon advertisements I receive from other BGP neigbhors. On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at

Re: 100.100.0.0/24

2012-10-06 Thread Randy Bush
http://www.team-cymru.org/Services/Bogons/bgp.html Please tell me how I can configure my router to use that feed to automatically reject any bogon advertisements I receive from other BGP neigbhors. you actually have to look at that web page

Re: 100.100.0.0/24

2012-10-06 Thread Vasil Kolev
В 16:22 -0700 на 06.10.2012 (сб), Randy Bush написа: http://www.team-cymru.org/Services/Bogons/bgp.html Please tell me how I can configure my router to use that feed to automatically reject any bogon advertisements I receive from other BGP neigbhors. you actually have to look at that

Re: 100.100.0.0/24

2012-10-06 Thread Randy Bush
http://www.team-cymru.org/Services/Bogons/bgp.html Please tell me how I can configure my router to use that feed to automatically reject any bogon advertisements I receive from other BGP neigbhors. you actually have to look at that web page If you're seeing the same page, the configs and

Re: names are not numbers, was IPv4 address length technical design

2012-10-06 Thread John Levine
In article 20592.28334.622769.539...@world.std.com you write: It's occured to you that FQDNs contain some structured information, no? Hey, I've got a great idea. Let's lose this silly phone number portability nonsense and use phone numbers as routes. I mean, anyone who moves and takes his cell

Re: ESR muses on, among other things, the early IETF

2012-10-06 Thread bmanning
On Sat, Oct 06, 2012 at 06:12:08PM -0400, Frank Kastenholz wrote: On Oct 6, 2012, at 6:39 AM, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 06, 2012 at 10:14:41AM +0100, Nick Hilliard wrote: On 06/10/2012 03:20, Jay Ashworth wrote: Those who know Fred and knew Jon personally might

Re: names are not numbers, was IPv4 address length technical design

2012-10-06 Thread Joe Hamelin
On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 6:14 PM, John Levine jo...@iecc.com wrote: Hey, I've got a great idea. Let's lose this silly phone number portability nonsense and use phone numbers as routes. You do not want to go down the hell hole that is SS7. -- Joe Hamelin, W7COM, Tulalip, WA, 360-474-7474

Re: Cost of fiber run between neighbouring office buildings

2012-10-06 Thread Walter Keen
Where I work for a local telecommunications provider, we will not run any fiber smaller than 24 strand, and these days that is a drop into a building. When talking about single mode fiber, the cost per foot difference in 2, 8, or even 24 strand is typically a matter of less than $1 per foot.