Re: IP Address Management IPAM software for small ISP

2012-12-20 Thread Thilo Bangert
On Thursday 20 December 2012 09:11:43 Saku Ytti wrote: On (2012-12-20 03:24 +), Blake Pfankuch wrote: I actually was doing research on this today as well. Anyone have any experience with the solutions that implement VLAN management as well like Gestioip? I'm not remotely interested in

Contact person for doh.state.fl.us

2012-12-20 Thread MailPlus| David Hofstee
Hi, Does anyone know a contact for doh.state.fl.us? I tried to contact them after we received this interesting line of logfile: 554 5.7.1 46.31.52.10 (in 46.0.0.0/8) is blacklisted. received from mx5201.doh.state.fl.us (74.174.235.12) Thanks in advance, David Hofstee MailPlus B.V.

Re: IP Address Management IPAM software for small ISP

2012-12-20 Thread Phil Regnauld
Thilo Bangert (thilo.bangert) writes: Then in your provisioning tools, you'd request resource from specific pool via restful API. Humand would never manually write RD/RT/IP/VLAN in the tool or in the configs. And this type of system is vastly simpler than the IPAMs I see listed, once you

Re: IP Address Management IPAM software for small ISP

2012-12-20 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 20/12/2012 09:48, Phil Regnauld wrote: I think many of these requirements would be met by Netdot... netdot doesn't handle vrfs. This is one of its major drawbacks. Nick

Re: IP Address Management IPAM software for small ISP

2012-12-20 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2012-12-20 10:30 +0100), Thilo Bangert wrote: I'm not remotely interested in externally developed software for this problem. what do you mean. i'd be fine with an opensource project providing this. If exactly what I want exist, of course I'd love to have it. But evaluating options,

Re: IP Address Management IPAM software for small ISP

2012-12-20 Thread Phil Regnauld
Saku Ytti (saku) writes: If exactly what I want exist, of course I'd love to have it. But evaluating options, working with them until you realise it does not work for you might take more time to just build it in-house to fit your needs and integrate to your existing systems.

Re: IP Address Management IPAM software for small ISP

2012-12-20 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2012-12-20 11:02 +0100), Phil Regnauld wrote: I have same opinion for NMS also. Everything I see offered is terrible and do not even solve easy-to-solve problems correctly. Right, that's what's great about Open Source :D The comment fully applies to system like HP OV or NNM or

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2012-12-20 Thread Matthew Petach
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ATLBL Contact

2012-12-20 Thread Alexander McMillen
Good morning all, Is there a contact for the ATLBL DNSBL or Network Solutions e-mail that could contact me off-list? The ATLBL blacklist is causing mail delivery issues from 199.58.208.0/21 to all mail servers utilizing the ATLBL blacklist (most notably Network Solutions). I have done some

Re: ATLBL Contact

2012-12-20 Thread Jon Lewis
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012, Alexander McMillen wrote: Good morning all, Is there a contact for the ATLBL DNSBL or Network Solutions e-mail that could contact me off-list? The ATLBL blacklist is causing mail delivery issues from 199.58.208.0/21 to all mail servers utilizing the ATLBL blacklist (most

Re: Contact person for doh.state.fl.us

2012-12-20 Thread Bruce H McIntosh
On Thu, 2012-12-20 at 10:46 +0100, MailPlus| David Hofstee wrote: Hi, Does anyone know a contact for doh.state.fl.us? I tried to contact them after we received this interesting line of logfile: Replied off-list --

Re: IP Address Management IPAM software for small ISP

2012-12-20 Thread Josh Galvez
This tool handle most of what you are asking for: http://www.nocproject.org/ -Josh On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 2:30 AM, Thilo Bangert thilo.bang...@gmail.comwrote: On Thursday 20 December 2012 09:11:43 Saku Ytti wrote: On (2012-12-20 03:24 +), Blake Pfankuch wrote: I actually was doing

why haven't ethernet connectors changed?

2012-12-20 Thread Michael Thomas
I was looking at a Raspberry Pi board and was struck with how large the ethernet connector is in comparison to the board as a whole. It strikes me: ethernet connectors haven't changed that I'm aware in pretty much 25 years. Every other cable has changed several times in that time frame. I imaging

Re: why haven't ethernet connectors changed?

2012-12-20 Thread Michael Loftis
It's not all about density. You *Must* have positive retention and alignment. None of the USB nor firewire standards provide for positive retention. eSATA does sort of in some variants but the connectors for USB are especially delicate and easy to break off and destroy. There's the size of the

Re: why haven't ethernet connectors changed?

2012-12-20 Thread tech-lists
On 2012-12-20 12:20, Michael Thomas wrote: I was looking at a Raspberry Pi board and was struck with how large the ethernet connector is in comparison to the board as a whole. It strikes me: ethernet connectors haven't changed that I'm aware in pretty much 25 years. Every other cable has

Re: why haven't ethernet connectors changed?

2012-12-20 Thread Bill Woodcock
On Dec 20, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Michael Thomas m...@mtcc.com wrote: I was looking at a Raspberry Pi board and was struck with how large the ethernet connector is in comparison to the board as a whole. It strikes me: ethernet connectors haven't changed that I'm aware in pretty much 25 years.

RE: why haven't ethernet connectors changed?

2012-12-20 Thread Vinny_Abello
MRJ21 also helps density in some scenarios (like line card and patch panel density), although ultimately you need to go back to RJ45 at some point. -Vinny -Original Message- From: Michael Loftis [mailto:mlof...@wgops.com] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 1:29 PM To: Michael Thomas Cc:

Re: why haven't ethernet connectors changed?

2012-12-20 Thread Tom Morris
I'm going to go by the Necessity is the mother of invention theory here and say that it's basically because the need for a subcompact ethernet connector hasn't shown up in masse yet. It was probably just adopted because it's inexpensive, easy to install using tools already out there in the telecom

RE: why haven't ethernet connectors changed?

2012-12-20 Thread Kurt
If you've ever dealt with connections like micro-usb on a day-in-day out plugging and unplugging at not quite head on connections, you know how bad this can be on a hardwired connection. With very few exceptions, its very difficult to have an rj45 go in any way but the way its designed to (well

Re: why haven't ethernet connectors changed?

2012-12-20 Thread Aled Morris
On 20 December 2012 18:20, Michael Thomas m...@mtcc.com wrote ethernet connectors haven't changed that I'm aware in pretty much 25 years. 15-pin D-type AUI connectors with slide latches? BNC for thinwire? I do agree though, something more like mini-USB would be more appropriate for home

Re: why haven't ethernet connectors changed?

2012-12-20 Thread Joshua Goldbard
They haven't changed for you: http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTzJPvwOhWoL2afxBdl7a-LmYYWwzgQNpiHSXr4ppIMgsZuWP6Oy1NVnrpN Cheers, Joshua On Dec 20, 2012, at 10:29 AM, tech-li...@packet-labs.netmailto:tech-li...@packet-labs.net wrote: On 2012-12-20 12:20, Michael Thomas wrote: I was

Re: why haven't ethernet connectors changed?

2012-12-20 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
On 12/20/2012 1:20 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: I was looking at a Raspberry Pi board and was struck with how large the ethernet connector is in comparison to the board as a whole. It strikes me: ethernet connectors haven't changed that I'm aware in pretty much 25 years. Every other cable has

Re: why haven't ethernet connectors changed?

2012-12-20 Thread Wayne E Bouchard
There is also the factor that cat5 is the principle desktop to network connection. That being the case, there's very strong motivation for ensuring that construction of that cable can be done very easily by barely trained folks. Otherwise, laying out an office or cube farm becomes considerably

Re: why haven't ethernet connectors changed?

2012-12-20 Thread Michael Thomas
On 12/20/2012 10:28 AM, Michael Loftis wrote: It's not all about density. You *Must* have positive retention and alignment. None of the USB nor firewire standards provide for positive retention. eSATA does sort of in some variants but the connectors for USB are especially delicate and easy

Re: why haven't ethernet connectors changed?

2012-12-20 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Tom Morris bluen...@gmail.com said: Boy would I ever love an ethernet connector that works like Apple's MagSafe... or at least just kinda friction fits like USB... THOSE TABS... Please, NO! Connectors without a positive locking mechanism should just die (and that includes

RE: why haven't ethernet connectors changed?

2012-12-20 Thread Brandt, Ralph
Because MA Bell is still alive and well and they still use them. They have divine right to provide phone service, didn't you know? Ralph Brandt -Original Message- From: Michael Thomas [mailto:m...@mtcc.com] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 1:20 PM To: NANOG list Subject: why haven't

Re: why haven't ethernet connectors changed?

2012-12-20 Thread Emily Ozols
Is that the infamous Google Pluto switch? On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 5:38 AM, Joshua Goldbard j...@2600hz.com wrote: They haven't changed for you: http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTzJPvwOhWoL2afxBdl7a-LmYYWwzgQNpiHSXr4ppIMgsZuWP6Oy1NVnrpN Cheers, Joshua -- ~Em

RE: why haven't ethernet connectors changed?

2012-12-20 Thread Brandt, Ralph
Love those friction fit connectors till they loosen and fall out Ralph Brandt -Original Message- From: Tom Morris [mailto:bluen...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 1:34 PM To: Michael Thomas Cc: NANOG list Subject: Re: why haven't ethernet connectors changed? I'm

Re: why haven't ethernet connectors changed?

2012-12-20 Thread Ross Harvey
Do note that the 8P8C on the Raspberry Pi has integrated magnetics that you can't see without an x-ray imager. The space is not as wasted as some might think. Nothing stops a mfr from using whatever they want and providing a dongle, but now they need board space for the transformers.

Re: why haven't ethernet connectors changed?

2012-12-20 Thread Bret Clark
Sort of like saying why haven't we changed from RJ-48's for phones...old habits die hard I guess! For the most part the RJ-45 connector is pretty sturdy...remember those silly dongle cables that were used for pc-card Ethernet adapters in laptops...those things would last about a month before

Re: why haven't ethernet connectors changed?

2012-12-20 Thread Gary Buhrmaster
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Michael Thomas m...@mtcc.com wrote: So why, oh why, nanog the omniscient do we still use rj45's? Because 8P8C connectors are well understood (both physically, and electrically)? And inertia matters. On some newer kit, Apple has removed the Ethernet port

NOVEC contact?

2012-12-20 Thread Christopher J. Pilkington
Looking for a contact at NOVEC clueful about their DWDM infrastructure, specifically about delivering TDM circuits from another MPLS provider. Other providers' sales teams need not apply. -cjp

Re: why haven't ethernet connectors changed?

2012-12-20 Thread Andrew Gallo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/20/2012 1:20 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: I was looking at a Raspberry Pi board and was struck with how large the ethernet connector is in comparison to the board as a whole. It strikes me: ethernet connectors haven't changed that I'm aware

Re: why haven't ethernet connectors changed?

2012-12-20 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Michael Thomas m...@mtcc.com wrote: So why, oh why, nanog the omniscient do we still use rj45's? Because they *work*. How much trouble do we have with USB or HDMI connectors coming loose? Also, RJ45 is around the minimum size where you can hand-terminate a

Re: why haven't ethernet connectors changed?

2012-12-20 Thread Michael Thomas
On 12/20/2012 11:43 AM, William Herrin wrote: Also, RJ45 is around the minimum size where you can hand-terminate a cable. How would you go about quickly making a 36.5 foot 8 conductor cable with, say, micro USB ends? You're assuming that that's a universal requirement. Most people in retail

Re: why haven't ethernet connectors changed?

2012-12-20 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Andrew Gallo akg1...@gmail.com wrote: The connector is to ubiquitous to change. Other vendors have addressed the space issue by not supporting Ethernet, but forcing the use of a USB dongle (Macbook Air comes to mind). Thin net (50 ohm coax w/ BNC connectors)

Re: why haven't ethernet connectors changed?

2012-12-20 Thread Michael Thomas
On 12/20/2012 12:01 PM, William Herrin wrote: On the other hand, I wonder if it would be worth asking the 802.3 committee look at defining a single-pair ethernet standard that would interoperate with a normal 4-pair switch. So, you'd have two conductors into some kind of 2P2C micro-RJ connector

Re: why haven't ethernet connectors changed?

2012-12-20 Thread Jeroen van Aart
On 12/20/2012 10:41 AM, Wayne E Bouchard wrote: How many people here have gotten good enough that they can cut a cable and pop connectors on each end in under 3 minutes? How many have gotten good enough that the failure rate for *hand made* cables is sub 1:1000? Show me another connector type

Re: why haven't ethernet connectors changed?

2012-12-20 Thread David Edelman
I think that you might be describing the DIX connector retaining clamp. Dave Edelman On Dec 20, 2012, at 13:40, Howard C. Berkowitz h...@netcases.net wrote: On 12/20/2012 1:20 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: I was looking at a Raspberry Pi board and was struck with how large the ethernet

Re: why haven't ethernet connectors changed?

2012-12-20 Thread George Herbert
Having (once) tapped thicknet, done a lot of thinnet termination and cable cut debugging, and then used hubs and switches in 10BT and onwards... Having had one main standard (RJ45) has been a huge benefit to advancing the state of networking to where we are today. But it is probably worth

Re: why haven't ethernet connectors changed?

2012-12-20 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2012-12-20, at 12:13 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: Do these things need to have gig-e speeds? Probably not... for a lot even Bluetooth speeds are probably fine. But they do want to be really small and really inexpensive. Then run RS-422 or RS-485 over a single twisted pair. You don't even

Re: why haven't ethernet connectors changed?

2012-12-20 Thread Jeroen van Aart
On 12/20/2012 01:13 PM, George Herbert wrote: For some users, even more positive than RJ45 is warranted. I at times work in and have a number of friends working in various aerospace and rocketry areas, and RJ45's have been widely known to come loose under acceleration. I found that a spliced

Re: IP Address Management IPAM software for small ISP

2012-12-20 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 20/12/2012 16:58, Josh Galvez wrote: This tool handle most of what you are asking for: http://www.nocproject.org/ hard to configure though. When it gets to the stage that it's relatively easy to configure and has good quality documentation, it will be awesome. Nick -Josh On Thu,

Re: why haven't ethernet connectors changed?

2012-12-20 Thread Warren Bailey
I'm shocked there hasn't been a whisper of amphenol. As an rf guy, I vote all connectors move to sma or bnc. I can then justify the cost of a Walmart 10 foot cable for 25 dollars.. And if we gold plate them, we can charge a premium. ;) From my Galaxy Note II, please excuse any mistakes.

Re: why haven't ethernet connectors changed?

2012-12-20 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012, Michael Thomas wrote: I was looking at a Raspberry Pi board and was struck with how large the ethernet connector is in comparison to the board as a whole. It strikes me: ethernet connectors haven't changed that I'm aware in pretty much 25 years. Every other cable has

RE: why haven't ethernet connectors changed?

2012-12-20 Thread Phil Bedard
There have been some smaller connectors but nothing with widespread adoption. Tyco has something called RJ point 5 which uses standard UTP cable but looks like a squashed RJ 45 and has double the density. Wouldn't save much space on a Pi thigh its meant more for bulk applications. From: Michael

Re: why haven't ethernet connectors changed?

2012-12-20 Thread Deepak Jain
There could also be some valid technical reasons: 1. The conductors really can't get any thinner. In fact, with Cat6A, they're somewhat thicker than Cat5E. 2. I would also think that the conductors/pins really can't get much closer together inside the connector shell, without cross-talk

Reminder: NANOG 57 is the first Monday-Wednesday program

2012-12-20 Thread David Temkin
NANOG Community, Just a reminder that the upcoming NANOG in Orlando, FL will be our first Monday to Wednesday program, beginning with tutorials on Monday morning at 9AM and concluding at approximately 6PM on Wednesday. There will be no program on Sunday. Best Regards, -Dave Temkin For the NANOG

Re: IP Address Management IPAM software for small ISP

2012-12-20 Thread Jimmy Hess
On 12/20/12, Saku Ytti s...@ytti.fi wrote: On (2012-12-20 03:24 +), Blake Pfankuch wrote: [snip] For me, humans would not do much directly with the tool. They'd give it large chunk of resource. Then maybe mine it to pools like 'coreLink', 'coreLoop', 'custLink', 'custLAN' etc. Then in

Re: IP Address Management IPAM software for small ISP

2012-12-20 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 7:48 PM, Jimmy Hess mysi...@gmail.com wrote: ... But is there a decently scalable open source application for building a CMDB, that is visually appealing and efficient for humans to use, without a ton of manual development; other than custom building applications

Re: why haven't ethernet connectors changed?

2012-12-20 Thread Jimmy Hess
On 12/20/12, Wayne E Bouchard w...@typo.org wrote: Really, it will remain that way until the bandwidth needs from the desktop begin to push the GE threshold. Until then, why bother changing anything? When that does happen, it'll pretty well deal with itself. At which point the 8P8C

Re: IP Address Management IPAM software for small ISP

2012-12-20 Thread Charles N Wyble
Zenoss works very well as a cmdb. George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 7:48 PM, Jimmy Hess mysi...@gmail.com wrote: ... But is there a decently scalable open source application for building a CMDB, that is visually appealing and efficient for humans to

Re: IP Address Management IPAM software for small ISP

2012-12-20 Thread Jimmy Hess
On 12/20/12, Charles N Wyble charles-li...@knownelement.com wrote: Zenoss works very well as a cmdb. Zenoss is very visually appealing, but a monitoring system for network hosts, not a CMDB. In particular, except through extensive custom programming, I see no mechanism to manage CIs with it

Re: Check Point Firewall Appliances

2012-12-20 Thread Yuri Slobodyanyuk
Having a love-and-hate relationship with Checkpoint firewalls after working for 6 years daily with them I am probably biased :), but will say they are great firewalls once you know to work with them . If you are completely new to it I'd recommend Checkpoint CCSA/CCSE from accredited APT course as

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2012-12-20 Thread Jasper Wallace
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