Re: bird rib dump

2013-02-22 Thread John Kemp
Uh, I'm looking at this in the source below in sysdep/unix/log.c and it looks like it is there. I assume you want mrtdump protocols messages The manual for Global options it says this: mrtdump filename Set MRTdump file name. This option must be specified to allow MRTdump feature. Default: no

Re: bird rib dump

2013-02-22 Thread John Kemp
Ah, you said rib. Did look at the code a bit more. It looks like there is a dump routes command. Might try that. Here it says birdc can do some stuff... http://bird.network.cz/?get_docf=bird-4.html dump resources|sockets|interfaces|neighbors|attributes|routes|protocols and show route

Re: NYT covers China cyberthreat

2013-02-22 Thread .
On 21 February 2013 21:58, Jack Bates jba...@brightok.net wrote: ... The A-team doesn't get caught and detailed. The purpose of the other teams is to detect easy targets, handle easy jobs, and create lots of noise for the A-team to hide in. Hacking has always had a lot in common with magic.

Re: NYT covers China cyberthreat

2013-02-22 Thread Michael Painter
- Original Message - From: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu To: Suresh Ramasubramanian ops.li...@gmail.com Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 5:54 PM Subject: Re: NYT covers China cyberthreat And since it's Wacky Friday somewhere:

Re: looking for terminology recommendations concerning non-rooted FQDNs

2013-02-22 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org RFC 952 as modified by RFC 1123 describe the legal syntax of a hostname. There is no trailing period. May someone create a com subdomain in a DNS domain you have to work in, Mark. Or *course* the trailing dot matters, even if only

Call For Papers: EuroMPI 2013 co-located Workshops

2013-02-22 Thread Javier Garcia Blas
Dear Sir or Madam, (We apologize if you receive multiple copies of this message) Recent Advances in Message Passing Interface. 20th European MPI Users' Group Meeting (EuroMPI 2013) EuroMPI 2013 is being held in cooperation with

Re: looking for terminology recommendations concerning non-rooted FQDNs

2013-02-22 Thread Brian Reichert
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 05:19:03PM +1100, Karl Auer wrote: It's a convention common enough and useful enough that I can see why people would want a handy term for it. The core issue I'm trying to resolve surrounds the generation of a CSR. We're trying automate this process for a network

Re: looking for terminology recommendations concerning non-rooted FQDNs

2013-02-22 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Brian Reichert reich...@numachi.com The core issue I'm trying to resolve surrounds the generation of a CSR. We're trying automate this process for a network appliance my employer sells. When our appliance generates a CSR for itself, among the steps is to

Re: looking for terminology recommendations concerning non-rooted FQDNs

2013-02-22 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 04:57:42PM +1100, Mark Andrews wrote: RFC 952 as modified by RFC 1123 describe the legal syntax of a hostname. There is no trailing period. Mark is of course correct about this, but it doesn't fully help. The basic problem is (as always) the confusion about the

Re: looking for terminology recommendations concerning non-rooted FQDNs

2013-02-22 Thread Joe Abley
On 2013-02-22, at 14:01, Andrew Sullivan asulli...@dyn.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 04:57:42PM +1100, Mark Andrews wrote: RFC 952 as modified by RFC 1123 describe the legal syntax of a hostname. There is no trailing period. Mark is of course correct about this, but it doesn't fully

Re: looking for terminology recommendations concerning non-rooted FQDNs

2013-02-22 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Joe Abley jab...@hopcount.ca Actually, I think the problem is the confusion between a label string terminated in a dot (to indicate that no search domain should be appended) and a label string not so-terminated (which might mean that a search domain is

Re: looking for terminology recommendations concerning non-rooted FQDNs

2013-02-22 Thread Joe Abley
Jay, On 2013-02-22, at 14:20, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: Actually, I think the problem is the confusion between a label string terminated in a dot (to indicate that no search domain should be appended) and a label string not so-terminated (which might mean that a search domain is

Weekly Routing Table Report

2013-02-22 Thread Routing Analysis Role Account
This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. The posting is sent to APOPS, NANOG, AfNOG, AusNOG, SANOG, PacNOG, LacNOG, TRNOG, CaribNOG and the RIPE Routing Working Group. Daily listings are sent to

Re: looking for terminology recommendations concerning non-rooted FQDNs

2013-02-22 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Joe Abley jab...@hopcount.ca In fact, Joe, I think it's distinguishing your second case from a label string which is intended to reference a rooted FQDN, but the user did not specify the trailing dot -- and yet still does not want a search path

Re: looking for terminology recommendations concerning non-rooted FQDNs

2013-02-22 Thread Joe Abley
On 2013-02-22, at 14:39, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: In fact, Joe, I think it's distinguishing your second case from a label string which is intended to reference a rooted FQDN, but the user did not specify the trailing dot -- and yet still does not want a search path applied...

Re: looking for terminology recommendations concerning non-rooted FQDNs

2013-02-22 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 01:39:21PM -0500, Jay Ashworth wrote: but since the dot is a separator (I believe by definition), if it exists at the end, it has to be separating *something*. Without getting into metaphysics, we can think of the dot in the presentation format as representing the

The Cidr Report

2013-02-22 Thread cidr-report
This report has been generated at Tue Feb 19 16:13:14 2013 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org for a current version of this report. Recent Table History Date

BGP Update Report

2013-02-22 Thread cidr-report
BGP Update Report Interval: 11-Feb-13 -to- 18-Feb-13 (7 days) Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS131072 TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS Rank ASNUpds % Upds/PfxAS-Name 1 - AS9498 111602 4.7% 107.9 -- BBIL-AP BHARTI Airtel Ltd. 2 - AS24560 91379

Re: looking for terminology recommendations concerning non-rooted FQDNs

2013-02-22 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams
On 2/22/13 11:01 AM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: Without getting into metaphysics, we can think of the dot in the presentation format as representing the separators in the wire format. In the wire format, of course, these separators are octets that indicate the size of the next label. And since

Re: looking for terminology recommendations concerning non-rooted FQDNs

2013-02-22 Thread Brian Reichert
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 12:41:33PM -0500, Jay Ashworth wrote: My snap reaction is to say that nothing should ever be *trying* to compare a rooted F.Q.D.N. against a certificate; it is, as has been noted, merely command line/entry field shorthand to tell the local resolver where to quit;

Re: looking for terminology recommendations concerning non-rooted FQDNs

2013-02-22 Thread Jay Ashworth
In short, yes, Jay, I do. Got it. :-) You saw Joe's second reply? Brian Reichert reich...@numachi.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 12:41:33PM -0500, Jay Ashworth wrote: My snap reaction is to say that nothing should ever be *trying* to compare a rooted F.Q.D.N. against a certificate; it

Re: looking for terminology recommendations concerning non-rooted FQDNs

2013-02-22 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 02:10:02PM -0800, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote: just keep in mind that while . ought to be a label separator, the utc's bidi algorithm allows the directionality of a label to leak across the period character, where it is not a terminal character. Yes, this is true,

Re: looking for terminology recommendations concerning non-rooted FQDNs

2013-02-22 Thread Brian Reichert
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 05:21:02PM -0500, Jay Ashworth wrote: In short, yes, Jay, I do. Got it. :-) :) You saw Joe's second reply? Apparently, I lost track of that while writing this up. :) -- Brian Reichert reich...@numachi.com BSD admin/developer at large

Re: looking for terminology recommendations concerning non-rooted FQDNs

2013-02-22 Thread Jay Ashworth
So, should browsers send absolute host names in http/1.1 requests, and shouldn't servers strip the trailing dot if they get one? I vote No and Yes, resp. Brian Reichert reich...@numachi.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 05:21:02PM -0500, Jay Ashworth wrote: In short, yes, Jay, I do. Got it.

Re: looking for terminology recommendations concerning non-rooted FQDNs

2013-02-22 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 05:19:03PM +1100, Karl Auer wrote: It's a convention common enough and useful enough that I can see why people would want a handy term for it. How about stopdot? Seems to cover the function and the form. ---rsk

Re: looking for terminology recommendations concerning non-rooted FQDNs

2013-02-22 Thread Brian Reichert
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 05:46:27PM -0500, Jay Ashworth wrote: So, should browsers send absolute host names in http/1.1 requests, and shouldn't servers strip the trailing dot if they get one? I vote No and Yes, resp. The first question is tough, only because of the depth of the exatblished

Re: looking for terminology recommendations concerning non-rooted FQDNs

2013-02-22 Thread Brian Reichert
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 03:30:57PM -0800, Geoffrey Keating wrote: This is clarified in RFC 3280: When the subjectAltName extension contains a domain name system label, the domain name MUST be stored in the dNSName (an IA5String). The name MUST be in the preferred name syntax, as

Re: looking for terminology recommendations concerning non-rooted FQDNs

2013-02-22 Thread Jay Ashworth
Well, the followup question is: are absolute host names real, or /solely/ hint to the local resolver not to search-list? I will reread 1035 later tonight ... Brian Reichert reich...@numachi.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 05:46:27PM -0500, Jay Ashworth wrote: So, should browsers send

Re: looking for terminology recommendations concerning non-rooted FQDNs

2013-02-22 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 06:12:41PM -0500, Brian Reichert wrote: The spec for a URL also calls out what constitutes a hostname, and I've yet to see a HTTP client that trips over a rooted domain name. Well, RFC 3986 (URI) explicitly allows the final dot. See the section on reg-name in section

Re: looking for terminology recommendations concerning non-rooted FQDNs

2013-02-22 Thread Jay Ashworth
Yrs, but he wanted the retronym for domain names not containing one, not the dot. Absolute and relative domain names, as Joe and 1035 said. Rich Kulawiec r...@gsp.org wrote: On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 05:19:03PM +1100, Karl Auer wrote: It's a convention common enough and useful enough that I

Re: looking for terminology recommendations concerning non-rooted FQDNs

2013-02-22 Thread Barry Shein
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Re: looking for terminology recommendations concerning non-rooted FQDNs

2013-02-22 Thread Jimmy Hess
On 2/21/13, Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org wrote: RFC 952 as modified by RFC 1123 describe the legal syntax of a hostname. There is no trailing period. A hostname is not a domain name, the hostname is just a label, and has stricter syntax than is allowed in a DNS label; however: When hostnames

Re: looking for terminology recommendations concerning non-rooted FQDNs

2013-02-22 Thread Cutler James R
A domain name without a terminal dot is a relative domain name. -- An application requesting name to address translation gets to decide if a search list is to be used, including the default of dot. A domain name with a terminal dot is a Fully Qualified Domain Name. -- An application

Re: looking for terminology recommendations concerning non-rooted FQDNs

2013-02-22 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Cutler James R james.cut...@consultant.com A domain name without a terminal dot is a relative domain name. -- An application requesting name to address translation gets to decide if a search list is to be used, including the default of dot. A domain name

Re: looking for terminology recommendations concerning non-rooted FQDNs

2013-02-22 Thread Jimmy Hess
On 2/22/13, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: RFC103 5.1 is correct in the context of a DNS zonefile. In other contexts, however, a domain is absolute without a trailing dot. One example, would be in the case of the SMTP protocol, where hostnames are required to _always_ be absolute. In

Re: looking for terminology recommendations concerning non-rooted FQDNs

2013-02-22 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Jimmy Hess mysi...@gmail.com RFC103 5.1 is correct in the context of a DNS zonefile. In other contexts, however, a domain is absolute without a trailing dot. If that can be nailed down authoritatively, then it will answer my followup questions, and at least